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Another perspective.

I've just sold my 7yo Nissan Navara. I paid $45k for it in March 2006 and sold it yesterday for $21k (53% depreciation). In the UK they go for a similar new price (with the same spec) yet sell at under $10k 2nd hand today (at least 78% depreciation).

When selling a 2nd hand car you lose less in Australia. Hope this helps.
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Another perspective.

I've just sold my 7yo Nissan Navara. I paid $45k for it in March 2006 and sold it yesterday for $21k (53% depreciation). In the UK they go for a similar new price (with the same spec) yet sell at under $10k 2nd hand today (at least 78% depreciation).

When selling a 2nd hand car you lose less in Australia. Hope this helps.
What did you get to replace it?
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What did you get to replace it?
Triton. Mitsubishi have the deal of the year on it at the moment - under $29k for the GLX Dual-cab 4x4. Under $36 total with auto, metallic and a shitload of extras, 5 year warranty, fixed price servicing etc.

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Default Re: 2nd hand car prices - the flip side

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Another perspective.

I've just sold my 7yo Nissan Navara. I paid $45k for it in March 2006 and sold it yesterday for $21k (53% depreciation). In the UK they go for a similar new price (with the same spec) yet sell at under $10k 2nd hand today (at least 78% depreciation).

When selling a 2nd hand car you lose less in Australia. Hope this helps.
Yep ...... but most won't see beyond the initial purchase price.

Here's one from the UK

1999 Ford Fiesta - £10,000 - bought brand new.

Sold 2010, complete service history, really good nick, female driver, 65,000 miles (barely driven) - £650
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Yep ...... but most won't see beyond the initial purchase price.

Here's one from the UK

1999 Ford Fiesta - £10,000 - bought brand new.

Sold 2010, complete service history, really good nick, female driver, 65,000 miles (barely driven) - £650
You know what strikes me about this, and I'm not talking UK v AUS here in any way shape or form.

It's almost symptomatic of the Wests financial problems.....Where has that money gone ? I dont mean simply write it off as "Depreciation" but physically where has that money gone to.... Banks ? Taxes ? The Motor Company and then overseas.... It seems to have evaporated somewhere. The fact that that vehicle has lost so much value, here and in the UK equates to a problem that needs to be addressed if you ask me.
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You know what strikes me about this, and I'm not talking UK v AUS here in any way shape or form.

It's almost symptomatic of the Wests financial problems.....Where has that money gone ? I dont mean simply write it off as "Depreciation" but physically where has that money gone to.... Banks ? Taxes ? The Motor Company and then overseas.... It seems to have evaporated somewhere. The fact that that vehicle has lost so much value, here and in the UK equates to a problem that needs to be addressed if you ask me.
hmm.....something used is not worth what it is when new...the price is determined by the market. Physically the money has gone to someone - and for the individual- you'd better have enough to buy the next one, or be able to absorp the loss. Like run your own business. The lesson for me, is that in the main a car is not an appreciating asset. I don't believe in new cars, my second hand car won't lose 20k, nor will it cost 20k in 7 years.
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hmm.....something used is not worth what it is when new...the price is determined by the market. Physically the money has gone to someone - and for the individual- you'd better have enough to buy the next one, or be able to absorp the loss. Like run your own business. The lesson for me, is that in the main a car is not an appreciating asset. I don't believe in new cars, my second hand car won't lose 20k, nor will it cost 20k in 7 years.
It's gone somewhere though....."For every credit there has to be a debit" etc etc...
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It's gone somewhere though....."For every credit there has to be a debit" etc etc...
That's what depreciation is.....I think!

Or the falling asset net present value? is recorded. On a balance sheet...the loss comes out of 'owner's equity'?

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Depreciation is used to lower asset's worth (and improve tax position) on one side of sheet = a reduction in owner's equity (on the other).

When the asset is flogged, the actual sale price is realised.....

Could an accountant tell me if I am on the right lines...?

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You know what strikes me about this, and I'm not talking UK v AUS here in any way shape or form.

It's almost symptomatic of the Wests financial problems.....Where has that money gone ? I dont mean simply write it off as "Depreciation" but physically where has that money gone to.... Banks ? Taxes ? The Motor Company and then overseas.... It seems to have evaporated somewhere. The fact that that vehicle has lost so much value, here and in the UK equates to a problem that needs to be addressed if you ask me.
Makes you think when one 1985 ford escort passes you????
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Triton. Mitsubishi have the deal of the year on it at the moment - under $29k for the GLX Dual-cab 4x4. Under $36 total with auto, metallic and a shitload of extras, 5 year warranty, fixed price servicing etc.
Mitsubishis are good. I've got 2. Hope you got a diesel.
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Mitsubishis are good. I've got 2. Hope you got a diesel.
Hubby is buying me a new Challenger, so exciting.

I love my current Challenger but it's now about 8 years old and those damned trees and stuff keep getting in the way and denting it.

..and I too want a diesel (manual).
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Makes you think when one 1985 ford escort passes you????
Yehp... Car ownership is where I'm most frugal.

Had my current 2nd Hand EA Ford Falcon SW for at least 10 years now, and own a 1994 Holden Barina.
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Originally Posted by Beoz
Yep ...... but most won't see beyond the initial purchase price.

Here's one from the UK

1999 Ford Fiesta - £10,000 - bought brand new.

Sold 2010, complete service history, really good nick, female driver, 65,000 miles (barely driven) - £650
Originally Posted by ozzieeagle
You know what strikes me about this, and I'm not talking UK v AUS here in any way shape or form.

It's almost symptomatic of the Wests financial problems.....Where has that money gone ? I dont mean simply write it off as "Depreciation" but physically where has that money gone to.... Banks ? Taxes ? The Motor Company and then overseas.... It seems to have evaporated somewhere. The fact that that vehicle has lost so much value, here and in the UK equates to a problem that needs to be addressed if you ask me.
It went to Mr Ford and he spent it.
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It went to Mr Ford and he spent it.
Indeed some of the profits on the orginal sale went to Mr Ford...representing some of the money over and above Sales - Cost of Sales...less overheads...

but the actual difference is only the net worth of the car every year determined by the market. I suppose we in part determine that by what we are prepared to pay, or how we perceive the brand or vehicle.

That loss does not go anywhere, we have to account for it ultimately...!
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Triton. Mitsubishi have the deal of the year on it at the moment - under $29k for the GLX Dual-cab 4x4. Under $36 total with auto, metallic and a shitload of extras, 5 year warranty, fixed price servicing etc.
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