Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

It's political.... The Gov. wants to be seen to be doing the "right" thing to get votes from the Australian public. The people who are processing the applications most likely know nothing about the changes until they are briefed about them around the same time the rest of us are informed.

It then goes from processing the applications happily and requesting medicals etc to "sorry, I can't process this anymore because the Government changed the rules".

I think there should NOT be any retrospective changes and that those who are "safe" at the time of the change continue to be so. It is dishonest to take money and more money and more money to then change the goal posts.

We got our visa by the skin of our teeth and I can't even think about what would have happened had we been caught by the changes... doesn't bare thinking about....

I feel for everyone who has been caught by this. I hope there is some light at the end of the tunnel! :wub:

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

I think there is some politics to it, but at the same time, I understand that the unemployment figures are real. So I can also see that there are genuine reasons why the Australian government should slow down immigration when there are so many Australians out of work.

I think the Australian government has to put citizens before potential immigrants, but I think there is no excuse for taking these huge application fees up front, perhaps they could take a depoist up front but the rest when processing starts. They have done nothing to earn the fees taken from thousands of people and in changing the goalposts so dramatically they should do the morally correct thing and provide a refund to all who want it.

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

When I was on the phone th other day, the pre recorded message was saying that the department recieves 30000 applications a day, that is a huge amount of applications each (presumably) with a tidy sum attached.

I whole heartedly agree, you pay for a service 'as seen' to me its a contract in this case the applicant and the Department, I think I might start up a nice little earner and get individuals to pays a couple of grand for a service, then dadah, change the terms and conditions, so that I get to keep the cash for a couple of years, without actually doing anything........

Also I understand that the GOV wants to protect its citizens BUT shutting out competition and new talent will not 'Advance Australia' is properly shortsighted, a political 'quick win' and it will in fact set it back as those with trades and professions will turn thier backs and look elsewhere.

Also only taking CSL applicants would infer that NO< NIL< NOT one Ozzie in those fields is out of work, sorry thats just plain Cr*p.

This is little more than a cherry picking exercise AND the creation of a system that treats other applicants as second class

Its a real real shocker in my opinion

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

Not a chance.. eleven million applications a year. I don't think so.

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

Probably 'enquiries'. Not heard the message so don't know but it seems more realistic. Otherwise they're turning down millions of applicants every year.

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

And I'm guessing that total probably covers ALL visa types - ETA, WHV and everything......

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

Mate ring the Adelaide office and listen the message, as quoted 30000 applications a day.......what for exactly I cant say!

The meat in the sandwich was more about the kinds of money involved here, for which in my case I have received nothing.

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

Those applications would include things such as business skills, WHV, humanitarian, refugee, ETA, spouse, etc. They are not all skilled migrant visas and they all don't come with the $2100 price tag.

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

I agree that it's unfair on those who have paid fees and then been told to sit tight and wait, but, frustrating as it is, nothing is going to happen. I know that doesn't make it any easier to deal with, but that's the way the cookie crumbled unfortunately.

Migrants have been screwing the system for a long time now - hairdressing, automotive, cookery, care/welfare... I should know, I have the misfortune of working in the international education sector (I'm trying desperately to get out). While it may not be fair to those of you who aren't screwing the system, it's only right that it gets sorted out. We can't continue to have professions on the skills list, allow migration and then marvel at how we still have a skills shortage without stopping and questioning what the hell is going on in the middle there. I know of plenty of Brits who have played the education game and it's time it stopped for everyone.

Yes, Australia is a nation of migrants (after we devastated the indigenous population) but it has to stop somewhere. After all, everywhere is a nation of migrants unless we're talking countries around the cradle of life. Much as I hate them, those '***** off, we're full' stickers aren't racist - they don't discriminate on the basis of race, sorry. That doesn't mean I'm in favour of a total halt on migration - far from it, but until it can be better controlled, the hard line is the only option.

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

[QUOTE=Chris N Lora;8094689]We are not currently in Australia, however in Sydney they are crying out for Hairdressers I have seen loads of ad's but they have shot them off the lsit along with Chefs they need them also. but no Immi in there wisdom is shooting its self in the foot. my father in law is in Sydney!


I can tell you exaculy why this is happening. I'm in the front line here in Australia and teach vocational subjects in these areas. Loads - and I mean THOUSANDS of International students from India, Asia, South America et al come to study these courses here in Australia. (Australian quals are worth an extra 10 points for the purpose of emigration). With very little interest in pursuing jobs in either. Its simply a tool used by bogus skilled students to gain quick fire PR. Hence. A huge shortage of staff in these vocations because none of the perceived 'chefs' want to be in positions within the workforce actually working in these professions for which they make claim on their applications. The government is saying 'Hey we have 15,000 newly qualified Chefs. (I use the term VERY LOOSELY). Therefore; Industry does not need more chefs..."

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

That is the thing, there are many bogus claims .... my missus is a hairdresser wants to be a hairdresser over there but yet cant get there it i politics I know ... however we will sit and wait and it will be our turn one day ... my F in Law owns an indian restuarant just outside of sydney and he says how hard it is to employe any good chefs thankfully he has loyal staff

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I am also coming to the conclusion that the Student to PR route is causing problems. The Australian minister mentioned chefs, hairdressers and accountants in his TV interview recently. As an accountant I would be dismayed if the occupation came off the skills list just because there are so many students taking an accountancy course and then applying for PR.

IMHO there is no way that somebody who has attended an accountancy course for two years should be considered in the same light as somebody with real experience in the occupation. They would be very lucky to get a job at all in accountancy.

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

Do students in Oz not have to demonstrate any x number of years experience to qualify for PR?

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

I would have to disagree with you there, I feel a student who does a course in australia will know just as much about aussie taxing laws as an accountant from the UK for example.

real life experience does not always make you better in your job. I am a Prison Officer, and there are Officers who have 10 years service who cant do the job as half as good as us younger officers in service!

Re: 175 applications are dead in the water
 

Majority of accountants, particularly in key financial centres like London or Sydney, would have little to do with taxation. Taxation is a specialism within the accountancy profession.

Experience does not necessarily make everybody better in their job, I didn't say it did. But my point was actually that there is more to accountancy than taking courses and taking a course does not make one an accountant.

Do you think somebody who has been on a course about being a prison officer is as qualified as you to do the job?