shirley and anthony hide

The article stating the Spanish Prime Minister commenting about September as the likely date of allowing tourism to resume was contradicted later by the
Spainsh tourism minister who said that it was not the case.
Recently there have been talks with the UK about a "green corridor" similar to the one last summer. Confused 😕 I know I am.
I'm thinking no one is going to give a definitive answer to the question until the DATA appears to allow to swing the door both ways . It will probably come down to individual countries political,financial and moral risk appetite .Feel free to rearrange that order .

shirley and anthony hide

As for the DATA, the saying attributed to Disraeli
"​​​​​​There are lies,damned lies and statistics" is most apt.

MikeJ

Just to add further complexity many EU countries claim that vaccines are only complete after both jabs - ie the UK is at the bottom of the league because most of the 21m are first jab only. Guess which countries claim to be ahead? It seems that clinical evidence comes second to political point scoring. I also read on MSN today that the NL are claiming to have stopped AZ from exporting vaccines to UK. Seems like a dog-in-a-manger attitude to me, also considering that FR and DE have 250m doses which they cannot use because Macron and Merkel muddied the waters so much. IE have pleaded for them to send their surplus but have so far been refused. 😫🤔
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shirley and anthony hide

The UK vax programme is speeding up .I do some marshalling at one of the pop up centres and they are going to a 7 day week from 5 days with hours of 0845 to 2000. There are many other centres being opened every day. Latest news is they are hoping that everyone would have the first dose by June now. They seem confident that supply of vaccines will increase from the middle of March. We know 20 million have already had at least the first dose, so they all should have had the second by The beginning of June ,with the 12 week gap.
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Jon-Bxl

I can't believe the 'political point scoring' point!! I believe it's what caused M+M to create + spread fear and concerns in the EU.. (Macron + Merkel) .. leading to a lot of problems re vaccination, and shelving large stocks of AZ vaccine. This was one reason (along with EU mismanagement and supply problems etc) that the Vax programme stalled here. Spain did a 2 week moratorium on vaccination. Belgium followed suit, and 75% of primary care workers didn't even turn up for their jab!

This is not scientific, but I have a vidcon every 2 weeks with international friends in my >60 age group. We are German, Dutch, Swedish, Belgian and British. NONE of us have had the first jab.... or have a date. Here in Belgium we have close family and a couple of friends, who would easily be considered in the high risk group..... also elderly family >80 years old...….No first jab...!!

It's pretty rich to score points re the second jab when we haven't had the first!! Whereas everyone I know, in the UK, friends and acquaintances, in my age group, and at-risk groups have had the first... the second scheduled

Whereas here lockdowns continue, with no 'roadmap' France is having regional full curfews etc... And vaccine-nationalism means Italy with EU support stopped an order to Australia a few days ago. (I believe that they will also stop orders to the UK - of none other than the AZ vaccine!! ) Finally, last week Belgium France and Germany reversed - and have approved the AZ jab for the over 55/65 group.

Final score: Political point scoring 0 : Real life scientific data 20m !

His Holiness The Dalaï Lama had the AZ jab a few days ago . . 85 years old....

Jon

MikeJ

Not necessarily a contradiction. Sancho says 70% vaccinations, but this is by region. Some parts of Spain, for example the Canary Islands, may well hit that target much earlier than Madrid etc. So holidays in the Canaries and possibly some of the Balearics could be early summer. The last prediction for Andalucia was mid-September, I'd love to see later data.