Rosemary

One huge difference is that if a person comes in contact with a smoker or an obese person they are not contagious.

Rosemary

chrismortley

Good Morning
This article was in yesterdays Telegraph
The region of Galicia has bought in a de facto ban on smoking in outdoor public places in an attempt to reduce the transmission of Covid-19 .It seems other regional governments are concidering following suit including Andalusia.
Chris

BEVS

It actually really doesn't correlate at all.

We actually really need to get to grips with a new norm and stop pushing for that which is no more just because we wish the return to a status quo that has only really existed a few decades. Start looking forward and outward. Manage expectations . Adapt . The old world view is no more.

Jon-Bxl

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Hi Mike. Wow good point about vehicle insurance! We really can't plan anything these days!

I suppose that you can rent a car in PT with the x-border card to Spain and are properly insured. But if there becomes any differences in the travel restrictions between the countries as this virus proceeds, the same problems you highlight re UK could be replicated there. Also,I have an annual insurance policy from the UK to cover most extras in case of a rental car claim. This allows me to deny the local insurance from the rentalco ...... I suppose that is not valid either! Aaaargh!!

Reading the small print becomes vital now! Ditch the magnifying glass, and bring out the microscope!

I agree about the number of cases, but wanted to point out that this is what the governments use as a trigger to make decisions, also as I mentioned, that these odds are low and the %death rate makes it even lower. I think it's crazy to stop travel or implement strict quarantine to/from countries whose cases- percentage is lower than ours, now that the virus has a foothold everywhere. Foreign travel restrictions were more valid when we were virus-free.

There is a huge economic impact ... And it shifts the focus from the local problems. After all the UK has an unenviable record internationally awful even Vs other developed countries.

Jon

BEVS

If one plumes breath out into the atmosphere without thought then that seems eminently sensible. It is not about the foul habit . It is about the expelling and inhaling of air. That is what you are stating - yes?

Curtail your own emission from within. Be cautious of emissions from without.

= sensible.

BEVS

Herd Immunity? It is a corona virus !

johnnyone

There is passive smoking of course, however I do understand the point you are making.
I was just using the statistics to show the number of covid deaths compared with other causes of death. The press would have you believe its the biggest killer.
In an earlier post I did point out that in the last couple of months flu has been a bigger killer than covid in the UK and pthat is also a virus.
I just think that the press is sensationalising Covid. Probably rightfully at the beginning of the pandemic but not now.

Dellaph Kite

To say all motor insurance is invalidated is inaccurate.. For example, note the following: "Freddy Macnamara of flexible car insurance provider Cuvva said: “Driving abroad in a country where FCO advice is against all but essential travel shouldn’t invalidate your comprehensive motor insurance policy. It’s very unlikely that insurers will include restrictions of this nature in their policies.

“However, policy wording does differ from one insurer to the next. To be on the safe side, if you’re planning to travel abroad by car, best would be to contact your insurance provider ahead to let them know you’re driving abroad during the coronavirus outbreak and confirm that it won’t affect your policy"

We are looking at the options but if UK travellers are not in fact banned from travelling through France and /or Spain we still hope to drive down soon. Anyway, I wonder if 'essential travel' includes preservation of sanity!?

toots sweet

It's all very well to say that the vunerable should be shielded so the rest of the population can go about their business as usual, but do you think that is fair?
Everybody has a responsibility to keep the virus controlled. I certainly (if classed as vunerable or perhaps over a certain age) do not want to be quarantined at home for an unforeseeable future while looking out my window at everyone else outside having a normal life.

Rosemary

Totally agree with you. Also this mindset does not take into account the fact that 15 to 35 year olds make up a large percentage of the newer cases.

Rosemary

MikeJ

It's actually about the fact that you cant smoke with a mask on - so smokers are not wearing masks.

MikeJ

I did, in fact, check with my insurer and was told in no uncertain terms that this was the case.

MikeJ

There's nothing very fair about this virus! But the evidence is that the vulnerable and elderly are far far more likely to have a bad outcome. But, keeping everybody locked up to protect the vulnerable is equally unfair.

Fredbargate

NO

By all means advise us but do not force us because that is undemocratic.

I in my 70's was theoretically forced to stay indoors but my wife in her late 60's was allowed to go out .

However she due to a condition diagnosed at the beginning of the lockdown required treatment only available to her in Spain which allowed me to take her across the border daily.

I was not allowed to shop locally in Morrisons Gibraltar but could do so in Mercadona / Lidl etc in Spain.

Dellaph Kite

Fortunately, having checked with LV our car insurance is completely unaffected so you are unlucky. If anyone is concerned a simple online query should suffice.