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Re: Work Choices

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Originally Posted by themerlin (Post 5572523)

One of the reason for a large casual labour force was becuase of the old system, it was so difficult to get rid of a full time employee that they didn't hire them.

Not saying that I'm pro WC but the old system seemed worse.

Agree. Whilst WC is in it's infancy and clearly workers in Aus are treated abysmally [Vs UK where laws are now more refined]...to back peddle to previous old system would be stupid. People will find themselves on long temp contracts, still paid a pittence and / or employers stuck with *dead wood* unable to make changes.

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 5572536)

Bring it on! I think it will be a lot closer than people are expecting though...

I think you're dead right. Also, given the fact Howard is due to retire ergo Costello taking over, this is putting a few people off too. Interesting fight and even Howard is shitting himself. It's good to see both parties squirm:lol:

Re: Work Choices

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Originally Posted by renth (Post 5572536)

...I think it will be a lot closer than people are expecting though...

Yup... anyone that thinks this is a forgone conclusion may yet get a fright...

Re: Work Choices

Judging by the views about WC here there is no middle ground, people either like WC or don't like WC.

Thanks for the info about it, I'm not sure what I think now. Oh well, maybe it won't matter after saturday.

Re: Work Choices

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Originally Posted by LauraC (Post 5572763)

Depends on whether you are an employer or employee :-)

Re: Work Choices

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Originally Posted by moneypen20 (Post 5572453)

Obviously anyone can comment but statistics mean sod all in my book. Just because someone says they have been unfairly dismissed doesn't mean that they have been. Are the courts filling up with people who have been dismissed under this new law, who did a damn good job before?

Business owners would be in favour if it means they don't have to bow down to a bolshy trade union (not saying they are all trouble, but obviously some are). If they are now able to get rid of incompetent workers easily then that has to be good for business in some instances.

I am just trying to see the big picture, not just the one the trade unions are trying to flog.

i will give you an example of what happened to me. I was employed as a maintenance fitter for 60k per year for a 45 hr week. Then along came the fairness test. Our contracts were sent to be looked at. They failed the test as apparently you are not allowed to employ someone on a 45 hr week, only 38hrs.
So my company dropped my salary to 48k and gave me a weekly overtime allowance to fill the gap, which I hasten to add was at normal time even though I have an overtime rate of $50ph.
This meant a drop in my super contributions.
This was done for the whole workforce without any consultation or even notice. The first time we found out about it was when we opened our pay slips.
So in short the fairness test is as much bullshit as the workchoices legislation.

I left last week and start a new job on Monday, same old crap just a different company.

If you need to ask who benefits from the workchoices issue just watch the adds on TV, business loves them with all manner of scaremongary attached to the unions.:thumbdown:

No need to guess why...

Sean

Re: Work Choices

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Originally Posted by The S's (Post 5573183)

Sorry about the crap you've had to deal with but thanks for the info.