Women and their clothes...
Mar 8th 2010, 11:41 am
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Re: Women and their clothes...
The idea was to underline the overtly 'bimbo' exterior and the judgemental attitude towards it in certain professions. I was hoping for a little less of it...
Mar 8th 2010, 8:12 pm
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Re: Women and their clothes...
You can say what you like about yourself, 5u5an - it's very entertaining - but why you find the need to slag off other women is beyond me. People in florals, bimbos in QLD, your dowdy colleague - really, love, that's not the sign of a confident woman.
I used to be the rare woman in IT, BTW. In the early 90s I managed a team of men in a company of 500 crusty electronics engineers and battled bearded, be-sandled, egotistical software developers on a daily basis. I was bloody good and my project ended up as a global reference site for the vendor; all this despite my size 8 figure (gawd, those were the days), sharp suits and high heels
I used to be the rare woman in IT, BTW. In the early 90s I managed a team of men in a company of 500 crusty electronics engineers and battled bearded, be-sandled, egotistical software developers on a daily basis. I was bloody good and my project ended up as a global reference site for the vendor; all this despite my size 8 figure (gawd, those were the days), sharp suits and high heels
Mar 8th 2010, 9:21 pm
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To the OP, if you really are as good professionally as you say you are, there's nothing to worry about. Before I became a full-time mother, I too got a degree in computer enginerring and worked in IT, as a developer.
When I was working in-house, it really didn't matter what I wore, as long as "I" felt comfortable in it. If I wanted to wear floral Laurel Ashley head to toe, no one cared. When I was visiting clients, I dressed the same way as the clients, i.e., just to blend in. Government, banks, airlines, telcos... It didn't matter.
For interviews or meetings with clients for the very first time, I would always wear a suit and heels. Carry the jacket if no one else was wearing one around me.
Oh, just one more thing, describing your figure as "hour-glass" and "playboy bunny" on a public forum isn't a great idea.
Mrs JTL
When I was working in-house, it really didn't matter what I wore, as long as "I" felt comfortable in it. If I wanted to wear floral Laurel Ashley head to toe, no one cared. When I was visiting clients, I dressed the same way as the clients, i.e., just to blend in. Government, banks, airlines, telcos... It didn't matter.
For interviews or meetings with clients for the very first time, I would always wear a suit and heels. Carry the jacket if no one else was wearing one around me.
Oh, just one more thing, describing your figure as "hour-glass" and "playboy bunny" on a public forum isn't a great idea.
Mrs JTL
Mar 8th 2010, 9:28 pm
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Re: Women and their clothes...
To the OP, if you really are as good professionally as you say you are, there's nothing to worry about. Before I became a full-time mother, I too got a degree in computer enginerring and worked in IT, as a developer.
When I was working in-house, it really didn't matter what I wore, as long as "I" felt comfortable in it. If I wanted to wear floral Laurel Ashley head to toe, no one cared. When I was visiting clients, I dressed the same way as the clients, i.e., just to blend in. Government, banks, airlines, telcos... It didn't matter.
For interviews or meetings with clients for the very first time, I would always wear a suit and heels. Carry the jacket if no one else was wearing one around me.
Oh, just one more thing, describing your figure as "hour-glass" and "playboy bunny" on a public forum isn't a great idea.
Mrs JTL
When I was working in-house, it really didn't matter what I wore, as long as "I" felt comfortable in it. If I wanted to wear floral Laurel Ashley head to toe, no one cared. When I was visiting clients, I dressed the same way as the clients, i.e., just to blend in. Government, banks, airlines, telcos... It didn't matter.
For interviews or meetings with clients for the very first time, I would always wear a suit and heels. Carry the jacket if no one else was wearing one around me.
Oh, just one more thing, describing your figure as "hour-glass" and "playboy bunny" on a public forum isn't a great idea.
Mrs JTL
I can't believe i'm joining in with this thread, my wife joined it to begin with and i have found the comments fascinating. ROFL
Mar 8th 2010, 9:45 pm
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You can say what you like about yourself, 5u5an - it's very entertaining - but why you find the need to slag off other women is beyond me. People in florals, bimbos in QLD, your dowdy colleague - really, love, that's not the sign of a confident woman.
I used to be the rare woman in IT, BTW. In the early 90s I managed a team of men in a company of 500 crusty electronics engineers and battled bearded, be-sandled, egotistical software developers on a daily basis. I was bloody good and my project ended up as a global reference site for the vendor; all this despite my size 8 figure (gawd, those were the days), sharp suits and high heels
I used to be the rare woman in IT, BTW. In the early 90s I managed a team of men in a company of 500 crusty electronics engineers and battled bearded, be-sandled, egotistical software developers on a daily basis. I was bloody good and my project ended up as a global reference site for the vendor; all this despite my size 8 figure (gawd, those were the days), sharp suits and high heels
Floral, bimbo, dowdy...there's a time and a place eh, how would have each of these looks gone down in front of your 500 engineers and developers? Sharp suits, stunning figure and sky-scraper heels scream POWER POWER POWER, you're no different from me, but you deny the manipulation and diversion from your femininity and in doing so prevent other women learning from your experiences.
And to JackTheLad... would I have been slagged off for complaining that I was a pear shaped? No way...
Mar 8th 2010, 10:23 pm
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Fantastic, hat off to you, well done... it must have been hard for you to do then but it's not all that easy now either. You think back to how you 'power dressed' - what image were you projecting, or trying to project. I'm personally not going to fall into the big shoulderpads fashion that's sweeping the shops at the moment.
Floral, bimbo, dowdy...there's a time and a place eh, how would have each of these looks gone down in front of your 500 engineers and developers? Sharp suits, stunning figure and sky-scraper heels scream POWER POWER POWER, you're no different from me, but you deny the manipulation and diversion from your femininity and in doing so prevent other women learning from your experiences.
And to JackTheLad... would I have been slagged off for complaining that I was a pear shaped? No way...
Floral, bimbo, dowdy...there's a time and a place eh, how would have each of these looks gone down in front of your 500 engineers and developers? Sharp suits, stunning figure and sky-scraper heels scream POWER POWER POWER, you're no different from me, but you deny the manipulation and diversion from your femininity and in doing so prevent other women learning from your experiences.
And to JackTheLad... would I have been slagged off for complaining that I was a pear shaped? No way...
And your posts are starting to scream ATTENTION SEEKER, ATTENTION SEEKER, ATTENTION SEEKER.
We've all worked with females like you - and they are a pain in the a88 and spend too much time preening themselves when they should be working <shudder at memories of this>
Mar 9th 2010, 4:41 am
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Fantastic, hat off to you, well done... it must have been hard for you to do then but it's not all that easy now either. You think back to how you 'power dressed' - what image were you projecting, or trying to project. I'm personally not going to fall into the big shoulderpads fashion that's sweeping the shops at the moment.
Floral, bimbo, dowdy...there's a time and a place eh, how would have each of these looks gone down in front of your 500 engineers and developers? Sharp suits, stunning figure and sky-scraper heels scream POWER POWER POWER, you're no different from me, but you deny the manipulation and diversion from your femininity and in doing so prevent other women learning from your experiences.
And to JackTheLad... would I have been slagged off for complaining that I was a pear shaped? No way...
Floral, bimbo, dowdy...there's a time and a place eh, how would have each of these looks gone down in front of your 500 engineers and developers? Sharp suits, stunning figure and sky-scraper heels scream POWER POWER POWER, you're no different from me, but you deny the manipulation and diversion from your femininity and in doing so prevent other women learning from your experiences.
And to JackTheLad... would I have been slagged off for complaining that I was a pear shaped? No way...
(in IT
)One night the (german)boss invited us to his house for a meal, and he got pissed, and told the girl he only hired her because at the interview she wore a short skirt and had lovely legs, a big arse and great tits.
The girl held it together during the meal, but she was in tears on the way home. And the boss had to call us all in to his office the next morning and apologise (I think his wife made him apologise).
I've forgotten the point of this story now.
Oh, don't do interviews with Germans.
Or else wear a Burka.JTL
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Mar 9th 2010, 6:17 am
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Re: Women and their clothes...
edit: ach, I had a lot more to say but I really can't be arsed.
Mar 9th 2010, 6:38 am
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Mar 9th 2010, 6:50 am
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Re: Women and their clothes...
Really, is it any wonder that when I went back to work last year I was determined not to go back into the corporate world? Working for a charity, wearing shoes is considered dressing up 
Ok kids it's been fun, but I've had enough of this thread. I'm off back to talk about bulkhead seats.
Ok kids it's been fun, but I've had enough of this thread. I'm off back to talk about bulkhead seats.
Mar 9th 2010, 8:31 am
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Re: Women and their clothes...
Christ - on the face it of it, some of you are getting a tad wound up, even in the light of the fact the OP has explained the context of her bunny line!
I'm a developer/tech lead/team lead and on percentages, a minority of developers are the scruffiest office workers I have met apart from people in the sort of jobs which they could take or leave (and rather leave). The distrubution curve is wide.
Developers for the banks and consulting firms (in this case by a long shot) are the smartest but there are many who slip through. Of course, being smart is not about the correct type of clothing, or expense, it's cut of cloth, fabric, and fit too....I'd rather see an office person wear a nice shirt and trousers than look like a spiv.
I'm a developer/tech lead/team lead and on percentages, a minority of developers are the scruffiest office workers I have met apart from people in the sort of jobs which they could take or leave (and rather leave). The distrubution curve is wide.
Developers for the banks and consulting firms (in this case by a long shot) are the smartest but there are many who slip through. Of course, being smart is not about the correct type of clothing, or expense, it's cut of cloth, fabric, and fit too....I'd rather see an office person wear a nice shirt and trousers than look like a spiv.
Mar 9th 2010, 10:34 am
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Re: Women and their clothes...
Fantastic, hat off to you, well done... it must have been hard for you to do then but it's not all that easy now either. You think back to how you 'power dressed' - what image were you projecting, or trying to project. I'm personally not going to fall into the big shoulderpads fashion that's sweeping the shops at the moment.
Floral, bimbo, dowdy...there's a time and a place eh, how would have each of these looks gone down in front of your 500 engineers and developers? Sharp suits, stunning figure and sky-scraper heels scream POWER POWER POWER, you're no different from me, but you deny the manipulation and diversion from your femininity and in doing so prevent other women learning from your experiences.
And to JackTheLad... would I have been slagged off for complaining that I was a pear shaped? No way...
Floral, bimbo, dowdy...there's a time and a place eh, how would have each of these looks gone down in front of your 500 engineers and developers? Sharp suits, stunning figure and sky-scraper heels scream POWER POWER POWER, you're no different from me, but you deny the manipulation and diversion from your femininity and in doing so prevent other women learning from your experiences.
And to JackTheLad... would I have been slagged off for complaining that I was a pear shaped? No way...
Mar 10th 2010, 4:26 am
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What I don't understand is how a supposedly intelligent woman needs to worry so much about how to show off or cover up her figure in work place. Those who care about how you dress at work, are not worth your time. If I were your friend in the tartan skirt, I would have been quite offended by your view on why I wasn't getting a promotion. But then I probably wouldn't have considered you a friend anyway.
Mrs JTL
Mar 10th 2010, 5:00 am
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Nope, not by me. Nor would you be slagged off by me for complaining about your supposedly hour-glass shaped body.
What I don't understand is how a supposedly intelligent woman needs to worry so much about how to show off or cover up her figure in work place. Those who care about how you dress at work, are not worth your time. If I were your friend in the tartan skirt, I would have been quite offended by your view on why I wasn't getting a promotion. But then I probably wouldn't have considered you a friend anyway.
Mrs JTL
What I don't understand is how a supposedly intelligent woman needs to worry so much about how to show off or cover up her figure in work place. Those who care about how you dress at work, are not worth your time. If I were your friend in the tartan skirt, I would have been quite offended by your view on why I wasn't getting a promotion. But then I probably wouldn't have considered you a friend anyway.
Mrs JTL
Mar 11th 2010, 7:36 am
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Re: Women and their clothes...
Guys, can we try and keep the views objective please, and leave the personal comments out of it.
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