Dorothy

Let me do my best Tony Abbott here

Bermudashorts

I did not say it was universal.

I countered the generalisation that "most new prs will start from scratch with low pay or having a job very different from their degrees"

The generalisation, was in that comment above, not in my reply, so if we are picking up on people making sweeping statements it is not me you need to speak to here. I said nobody I know had to start at the bottom, that is not a generalisation, it is not a universal comment because I do not know everybody in the universe.

But it is a fact and I don't see how you can possibly disagree with the statement that everybody I know has started at the same level. Do you know everybody I know?

Bermudashorts

And?

paulry

That was my experience - at least in so far as there being available a "close match" with what I had in the UK. With the benefit of my own hindsight I would say people need to think a lot outside of the box from the word go and if there aren't "close match" jobs available, consider related positions and produce resumes (CV) that play to the selection panel gallery. It worked for me in that profession-wise I moved sideways a little and upwards - effectively making it a promotion.

Pollyana

I never said that I know the same people as you, I said, it may be true for the people you know, but it isn't true for eveyone. I wouldve given a lot to be able to pick up my career here but nope, neither experience nor qualifications counted.

BadgeIsBack

It seems to me that some people struggle - others don't.

If we conducted a huge survey we might find out which areas are hard for new migrants - but perhaps it would have changed by now.

Apart from Polly, I don't know anyone who had to take a job at a 'lower' level - or had difficulties in matching experience and I am taking Polly's statement literally..

It's a shame Polly because in some ways, govt work shares quite a lot of skill-sets and culture.

Pollyana

There's no way I am unique and special enough to be the only person who had to take a lower job after emigrating. Don't make it sound like I am. You've read enough threads on here to know better. Don't bother discussing, I'm not coming back to read the answe.

I'm remembering now why I am really starting to hate this forum.

spouse of scouse

I do. Some I know personally, some I've read on BE.

paulry

Ditto.

BadgeIsBack

Of course you are not the only one, but you are the only person I know : that's what I said Polly! I see it partly as a govt service anomaly.

Beoz

Personally, Mrs Beoz and I moved for the money. My positional hierarchy stayed the same. Mrs Boez took a step backward.

Reason being London (where she worked) had a big pool of companies and people moving around. Opportunities open. In Oz bogans stay in their jobs for years, defending their positions, nowhere to move. Harder to break in and upwards.

economy_1

Australia is not a silicon valley. Most of the IT work is outsourced to cheaper neighbor Asian countries.

ktyler1961

It seems to me that the Ozzie Government have just been throwing sh.t at the wall and hope some sticks: they've made a right cock up of their immigration needs.
The percentage of Aussie employers that are ageist and/or predjudice towards Pommies is significantly higher than in more mature nations.
They are still very much behind with other aspects too, such as sexism..and definitely racism.
It's a beautiful country though, bit isolated and can get boring, but lovely

papilon

The gov lets people in knowing full well that there is an oversupply in there profession. But this country is built on a steady stream of new migrants. Every migrants brings money into the economy, creates jobs in construction, retail etc etc. The vast majority of restaurants are opened by migrants who have never had any experience operating one in there home country but see it as there only chance to have a job in Australia. Most will have been to uni and have a degree at least.

Same if you look at migrants who work in service industries like retail banks, most of the Chinese, Indian, Malaysian, Indonesian workers are way over qualified to do such jobs and would never consider working at such a lowly position in there home countries. New migrants are the lifeblood of most states in Australia.
So whilst some people on here might claim to not know any migrants (anglo) that have stepped backwards carrer wise they would be dealing every single day with many migrants that have taken a huge step down career wise to live in Australia. But that is a choice everyone makes when they decide to upsticks and move to another country.

Beoz

I sort of see what you are trying to say, but to say it in such a way to say Australian employers are prejudice against 'Pommies' as you say, displays a bit of an inferiority complex. Foreigners might have been a better way of putting it.

Its just self protection. The work market in Oz is not a moving pool and doesn't have the size as in a place like London. People naturally protect their positions when there's little else to move on to. 'Pommie' Aussie whatever.

For the record. My management in Oz is made up of Saffas and Brits. No Aussies up top.