And we think we had it hard PMSL !
Jul 8th 2004, 12:52 am
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Re: And we think we had it hard PMSL !
Originally posted by wmoore
I disagree. I think that before you can permanently settle into any country, you MUST be able to communicate with the rest of that country.
I disagree. I think that before you can permanently settle into any country, you MUST be able to communicate with the rest of that country.
Jul 8th 2004, 12:56 am
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Re: And we think we had it hard PMSL !
Originally posted by wmoore
I disagree. I think that before you can permanently settle into any country, you MUST be able to communicate with the rest of that country.
I disagree. I think that before you can permanently settle into any country, you MUST be able to communicate with the rest of that country.
Jul 8th 2004, 12:59 am
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Re: And we think we had it hard PMSL !
Originally posted by MarkMyWords
"Before" is surely a tad too harsh. If I want to go and live in (say) France (which I have the right to do as an EU "citizen") then it makes sense to be able to talk basic French but should I really have to be completely and utterly fluent, right down to slang etc? What's wrong with picking a lot up as I go along?
"Before" is surely a tad too harsh. If I want to go and live in (say) France (which I have the right to do as an EU "citizen") then it makes sense to be able to talk basic French but should I really have to be completely and utterly fluent, right down to slang etc? What's wrong with picking a lot up as I go along?
Jul 8th 2004, 1:18 am
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It just means that those that can't speak english won't be applying to be a citizen. They'll still live in the UK.
Its a bit similar to all those who get PR to Australia but never become citizens
Its a bit similar to all those who get PR to Australia but never become citizens
Jul 8th 2004, 2:16 am
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Re: And we think we had it hard PMSL !
Originally posted by MarkMyWords
"Before" is surely a tad too harsh. If I want to go and live in (say) France (which I have the right to do as an EU "citizen") then it makes sense to be able to talk basic French but should I really have to be completely and utterly fluent, right down to slang etc? What's wrong with picking a lot up as I go along?
"Before" is surely a tad too harsh. If I want to go and live in (say) France (which I have the right to do as an EU "citizen") then it makes sense to be able to talk basic French but should I really have to be completely and utterly fluent, right down to slang etc? What's wrong with picking a lot up as I go along?
Jul 8th 2004, 2:53 am
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Skilled visas - yes, there is an English requirement (both for main and secondary applicants).
There is no English requirement for Spouse visas. My own view is that there is a case for there to be one, in the form of an English language education charge.
In a society as diverse as Australia, the English language is a common bond and it's essential that all Australians are able to communicate in a common language.
People over 50 do not have to meet English language requirements when applying for citizenship, but the Government has just announced it's raising this exemption to 60 years.
Jeremy
There is no English requirement for Spouse visas. My own view is that there is a case for there to be one, in the form of an English language education charge.
In a society as diverse as Australia, the English language is a common bond and it's essential that all Australians are able to communicate in a common language.
People over 50 do not have to meet English language requirements when applying for citizenship, but the Government has just announced it's raising this exemption to 60 years.
Jeremy
Originally posted by bondipom
I believe Australia has an English language requirement for those from a non English speaking country applying for skilled and partner visas. There is also a system to teach English to migrants but I don't know where the funding comes from. Language is a barrier for a migrant and anything to remove those barriers constructively is a good thing.
I believe Australia has an English language requirement for those from a non English speaking country applying for skilled and partner visas. There is also a system to teach English to migrants but I don't know where the funding comes from. Language is a barrier for a migrant and anything to remove those barriers constructively is a good thing.
Jul 8th 2004, 2:55 am
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Re: And we think we had it hard PMSL !
If you wanted to become a French *citizen* and not just live there under EU residence rules, you'd probably find they would expect you to be fairly competent in French.
Jeremy
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Originally posted by MarkMyWords
"Before" is surely a tad too harsh. If I want to go and live in (say) France (which I have the right to do as an EU "citizen") then it makes sense to be able to talk basic French but should I really have to be completely and utterly fluent, right down to slang etc? What's wrong with picking a lot up as I go along?
"Before" is surely a tad too harsh. If I want to go and live in (say) France (which I have the right to do as an EU "citizen") then it makes sense to be able to talk basic French but should I really have to be completely and utterly fluent, right down to slang etc? What's wrong with picking a lot up as I go along?
Jul 8th 2004, 4:02 am
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Re: And we think we had it hard PMSL !
Originally posted by JAJ
If you wanted to become a French *citizen* and not just live there under EU residence rules, you'd probably find they would expect you to be fairly competent in French.
If you wanted to become a French *citizen* and not just live there under EU residence rules, you'd probably find they would expect you to be fairly competent in French.
Jul 8th 2004, 4:44 am
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I dare say the Oz government position came from its decision to ditch the 'white australia' policy and accept it was going to be a multi-cultural society. They then had to decide, whether they were going to have the chaos of trying to pamper to every language and culture that came in, or say to them, "if you want to live here, you've got to be Australian first and foremost, regardless of your previous culture". If UK finally follows the same path, good for it.
Seems perfectly reasonable to me. If I chose to live in France or Greece or whatever, I would assume I would have to get fluent in the language, learn the culture, laws etc.
Cheers,
JTL
Seems perfectly reasonable to me. If I chose to live in France or Greece or whatever, I would assume I would have to get fluent in the language, learn the culture, laws etc.
Cheers,
JTL
Jul 8th 2004, 10:04 am
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Re: And we think we had it hard PMSL !
Originally posted by JAJ
If you wanted to become a French *citizen* and not just live there under EU residence rules, you'd probably find they would expect you to be fairly competent in French.
Jeremy
If you wanted to become a French *citizen* and not just live there under EU residence rules, you'd probably find they would expect you to be fairly competent in French.
Jeremy
Doesn't Iceland not only require you to learn their language but adopt the patronymic naming system they have if you move there?
Isn't there an institute in France dedicated to weeding out foreign loan words from the French language?
