We are losing the caring and sharing
Jul 21st 2003, 5:57 am
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We are losing the caring and sharing
This is a run down on of what this land of plenty has become and where its heading.
If you even dreamed of a fair go bollocks forget it.
Australians must take greater responsibility for their health through private health insurance while public hospitals and Medicare are run down.
They must prepare for their own retirement through superannuation, amid threats about tomorrow's pension even though most of today's pre-retirees never had the time to save enough. They must pay their children's university costs through upfront fees, if they can, when their grades aren't good enough.
Unemployed people - not the labour market - are seen as deficient and in need of help to improve their attitude, and job-searching skills.
The responsibility for being unemployed has been placed on the shoulders of individuals even though full-time jobs have hardly increased, and have decreased for the low-skilled over the past 15 years.
It speeds us towards a time when rich kids will sideline brighter aspirants from university because their parents can afford to pay full fees. The rich have already fled the underfunded public school system.
There is nothing more basic and important to a country's sense of itself as fair and egalitarian than its education and health-care systems .
People are getting a bit more money in their pocket. But it brings added risks. They can only hope it is enough to get by in user-pays Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...591798545.html
If you even dreamed of a fair go bollocks forget it.
Australians must take greater responsibility for their health through private health insurance while public hospitals and Medicare are run down.
They must prepare for their own retirement through superannuation, amid threats about tomorrow's pension even though most of today's pre-retirees never had the time to save enough. They must pay their children's university costs through upfront fees, if they can, when their grades aren't good enough.
Unemployed people - not the labour market - are seen as deficient and in need of help to improve their attitude, and job-searching skills.
The responsibility for being unemployed has been placed on the shoulders of individuals even though full-time jobs have hardly increased, and have decreased for the low-skilled over the past 15 years.
It speeds us towards a time when rich kids will sideline brighter aspirants from university because their parents can afford to pay full fees. The rich have already fled the underfunded public school system.
There is nothing more basic and important to a country's sense of itself as fair and egalitarian than its education and health-care systems .
People are getting a bit more money in their pocket. But it brings added risks. They can only hope it is enough to get by in user-pays Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...591798545.html
Last edited by pommie bastard; Jul 21st 2003 at 5:59 am.
Jul 21st 2003, 3:37 pm
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Out of the frying pan....................
"Private surgery 'rip-off' costing NHS millions."
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...949007,00.html
"How bad is the UK's pension crisis?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2082800.stm
"We need new measures to help Labour's invisible unemployed."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/s...002130,00.html
"Top-up fees 'will widen class divide.'"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...901177,00.html
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...949007,00.html
"How bad is the UK's pension crisis?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2082800.stm
"We need new measures to help Labour's invisible unemployed."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/s...002130,00.html
"Top-up fees 'will widen class divide.'"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...901177,00.html
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Jul 21st 2003, 4:28 pm
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Re: Out of the frying pan....................
Be careful Pookin.......
You try and take Pommie Bastard on at his own game (i.e. cut and paste) and there's only gonna be one winner (he's been at it for years)......
You try and take Pommie Bastard on at his own game (i.e. cut and paste) and there's only gonna be one winner (he's been at it for years)......
Jul 21st 2003, 4:36 pm
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Re: Out of the frying pan....................
Originally posted by young_lad
Be careful Pookin.......
You try and take Pommie Bastard on at his own game (i.e. cut and paste) and there's only gonna be one winner (he's been at it for years)......
Be careful Pookin.......
You try and take Pommie Bastard on at his own game (i.e. cut and paste) and there's only gonna be one winner (he's been at it for years)......
Not out to win, young_lad, just adding a different perspective. Australia doesn't have the monopoly on such problems.
Your concern is touching!
Jul 21st 2003, 4:49 pm
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PB, the village idiot, is waffling again...
Most of these things are good, you obviously want to live in a nanny state and this does'nt surprise me at all.
Health Care.
Everybody should take more financial responsibility for their own health. I pay for private medical insurance for my family. What pissess me off is that I still have to pay tax as if I use the NHS.
Pensions.
Each individual should sort out their own pension, although I think they are a waste of time anyway. Put your money into property, its a better investment.
Education.
Kids can 'work' their way through uni to pay for living expenses. Parents can start their own fund when their kids are young to pay for fees. Scholarships should be available to high flyers.
Unemployed People.
Yes they generally are deficent, thats why the buggers are unemployed. God I hate dole bludgers. If you can't get full time then get a couple of part time jobs. If you are not skilled then train.
I realise what I've said may be unpopular, but I don't care. I'm a great believer in self reliance.
Most of these things are good, you obviously want to live in a nanny state and this does'nt surprise me at all.
Health Care.
Everybody should take more financial responsibility for their own health. I pay for private medical insurance for my family. What pissess me off is that I still have to pay tax as if I use the NHS.
Pensions.
Each individual should sort out their own pension, although I think they are a waste of time anyway. Put your money into property, its a better investment.
Education.
Kids can 'work' their way through uni to pay for living expenses. Parents can start their own fund when their kids are young to pay for fees. Scholarships should be available to high flyers.
Unemployed People.
Yes they generally are deficent, thats why the buggers are unemployed. God I hate dole bludgers. If you can't get full time then get a couple of part time jobs. If you are not skilled then train.
I realise what I've said may be unpopular, but I don't care. I'm a great believer in self reliance.
Jul 21st 2003, 6:19 pm
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Re: We are losing the caring and sharing
Originally posted by pommie bastard
This is a run down on of what this land of plenty has become and where its heading.
If you even dreamed of a fair go bollocks forget it.
Australians must take greater responsibility for their health through private health insurance while public hospitals and Medicare are run down.
They must prepare for their own retirement through superannuation, amid threats about tomorrow's pension even though most of today's pre-retirees never had the time to save enough. They must pay their children's university costs through upfront fees, if they can, when their grades aren't good enough.
Unemployed people - not the labour market - are seen as deficient and in need of help to improve their attitude, and job-searching skills.
The responsibility for being unemployed has been placed on the shoulders of individuals even though full-time jobs have hardly increased, and have decreased for the low-skilled over the past 15 years.
It speeds us towards a time when rich kids will sideline brighter aspirants from university because their parents can afford to pay full fees. The rich have already fled the underfunded public school system.
There is nothing more basic and important to a country's sense of itself as fair and egalitarian than its education and health-care systems .
People are getting a bit more money in their pocket. But it brings added risks. They can only hope it is enough to get by in user-pays Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...591798545.html
This is a run down on of what this land of plenty has become and where its heading.
If you even dreamed of a fair go bollocks forget it.
Australians must take greater responsibility for their health through private health insurance while public hospitals and Medicare are run down.
They must prepare for their own retirement through superannuation, amid threats about tomorrow's pension even though most of today's pre-retirees never had the time to save enough. They must pay their children's university costs through upfront fees, if they can, when their grades aren't good enough.
Unemployed people - not the labour market - are seen as deficient and in need of help to improve their attitude, and job-searching skills.
The responsibility for being unemployed has been placed on the shoulders of individuals even though full-time jobs have hardly increased, and have decreased for the low-skilled over the past 15 years.
It speeds us towards a time when rich kids will sideline brighter aspirants from university because their parents can afford to pay full fees. The rich have already fled the underfunded public school system.
There is nothing more basic and important to a country's sense of itself as fair and egalitarian than its education and health-care systems .
People are getting a bit more money in their pocket. But it brings added risks. They can only hope it is enough to get by in user-pays Australia.
http://www.smh.com.au/articles/2003/...591798545.html
I'd soon rather you were gay than that.:scared:
Jul 21st 2003, 8:05 pm
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Chippy, you must have been reading my mind, i'm with you 100%
Jul 21st 2003, 11:51 pm
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Originally posted by chippy
I realise what I've said may be unpopular, but I don't care. I'm a great believer in self reliance.
I realise what I've said may be unpopular, but I don't care. I'm a great believer in self reliance.
You have been looked after by the social system in the Uk what the bugger do you know?
PLANS to close some of the State's maternity services are a step closer, despite opposition from midwives and community groups.
King Edward Memorial Hospital gynaecologist and obstetrician Harry Cohen, chairman of the working group that produced the Statewide obstetrics services review report released in April, said yesterday he had received about 100 submissions to the report.
http://www.thewest.com.au/20030722/n...sto105899.html
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Jul 21st 2003, 11:53 pm
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Re: Out of the frying pan....................
Originally posted by Pookin
"Private surgery 'rip-off' costing NHS millions."
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...949007,00.html
"How bad is the UK's pension crisis?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2082800.stm
"We need new measures to help Labour's invisible unemployed."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/s...002130,00.html
"Top-up fees 'will widen class divide.'"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...901177,00.html
"Private surgery 'rip-off' costing NHS millions."
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...949007,00.html
"How bad is the UK's pension crisis?"
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/business/2082800.stm
"We need new measures to help Labour's invisible unemployed."
http://www.guardian.co.uk/business/s...002130,00.html
"Top-up fees 'will widen class divide.'"
http://observer.guardian.co.uk/polit...901177,00.html
Think British Media , no too hard never mind you will love the pay up or bugger off health care here plus more tax and less benefits.
Jul 21st 2003, 11:55 pm
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Re: We are losing the caring and sharing
Originally posted by TimEh?
You're not a socialist are you PB? I'd soon rather you were gay than that.
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You're not a socialist are you PB?
I'd soon rather you were gay than that.:scared:
Jul 22nd 2003, 12:31 am
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Re: We are losing the caring and sharing
Originally posted by pommie bastard
I believe if the state taxes high it should not double charge for services it has already charged for , which is the Aussie way.
I believe if the state taxes high it should not double charge for services it has already charged for , which is the Aussie way.
Jul 22nd 2003, 12:39 am
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Re: We are losing the caring and sharing
Originally posted by chippy
Despite being a half witted also ran, you have made a valid point here. Taxes should be not have a double charging effect, which is especially the case in health care, both here and in Aus.
Despite being a half witted also ran, you have made a valid point here. Taxes should be not have a double charging effect, which is especially the case in health care, both here and in Aus.
Jul 22nd 2003, 1:10 am
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Re: We are losing the caring and sharing
Originally posted by pommie bastard
No so in the UK have you paid to see a GP no, do you get a pension by right yes , do the old and, kids and unemployed get free health care the in UK yes and Australia no.
No so in the UK have you paid to see a GP no, do you get a pension by right yes , do the old and, kids and unemployed get free health care the in UK yes and Australia no.
Jul 22nd 2003, 1:12 am
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Re: We are losing the caring and sharing
Originally posted by chippy
Sorry, but you are off the mark here. Apart from the GP question, the rest of the answers are 'maybe, but probably not!' You're out of date pal.
Sorry, but you are off the mark here. Apart from the GP question, the rest of the answers are 'maybe, but probably not!' You're out of date pal.
Your cosy net is about to be pulled from under you.
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