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kiwichild Apr 20th 2006 12:59 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by phoenixinoz


A Debit card and Credit card are two different cards provided as a service for two different purposes.

A Credit card requires a Credit limit i.e how much the bank is prepared to lend you. A Debit card is based on how much you have in your account. If the account is empty, then no money is available to be debited.

Easy as.

This is irrelevant to the use of them unless you are wanting to obtain actual credit.

Use the debit card (provided you have funds in it to cover your purchase) with the credit key/number and the merchant cannot discriminate or levy additional charges.

kiwichild Apr 20th 2006 1:03 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by Hels
With a Credit Union, you become a shareholder by opening an account. You will have a minimum amount of shares, usually only about $10 for example.

This is correct. There are other differences but I am not sure of them. I think perhaps (in OZ) credit unions come under state legislation whereas banks come under federal legislation.

phoenixinoz Apr 20th 2006 1:04 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by Hels
With a Credit Union, you become a shareholder by opening an account. You will have a minimum amount of shares, usually only about $10 for example.

Any further differences, I am not sure on.

Ahhhh that makes sense.

So for example everyone in a CU bank has a "say" in the bank by owning a piece of it and if they can't own more than a nominal share [in this case no more than $10]then it isn't run for profit.

This probably encourages the bank to invest it's money in it's customers and re-invest back into the business as there are no massive dividends to pay out:confused:

[ps hows the non - smoking coming on m8?:) ]

Hels Apr 20th 2006 1:12 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by phoenixinoz
Ahhhh that makes sense.

So for example everyone in a CU bank has a "say" in the bank by owning a piece of it and if they can't own more than a nominal share [in this case no more than $10]then it isn't run for profit.

This probably encourages the bank to invest it's money in it's customers and re-invest back into the business as there are no massive dividends to pay out:confused:

[ps hows the non - smoking coming on m8?:) ]


What non smoking??? Not sure what ya talking about.........~sweet, angelic grin~

I do like Credit Unions and alot of the bigger organisations even have their own. Like the Teachers Credit Union...and the Police....even the Uni where I work has their own CU

Juliecabs Apr 20th 2006 1:12 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 
Thanks Phoenix and Hels for your help.
I reckon a bit more investigating is needed.
My family over there swear by a credit union. Will email them and ask why.
Will let you know.

phoenixinoz Apr 20th 2006 1:13 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by kiwichild
This is irrelevant to the use of them unless you are wanting to obtain actual credit..

You can't get credit on a debit card, unless an overdraft or Credit facilities have been aranged on the account where the Debit card is connected to.


Originally Posted by kiwichild
Use the debit card (provided you have funds in it to cover your purchase) with the credit key/number and the merchant cannot discriminate or levy additional charges.

They can Levy additional charges if they wish, and some do. It is rare but it does happen as some Merchants prefer Credit cards to Debit cards.

A Merchant must make it clear to the customer that X will be charged for the use of a Credit card...and XX will be charged for the use of a Debit card. And then of course, some Merchants don't charge at all...whether it's a Credit or Debit card:)

phoenixinoz Apr 20th 2006 1:16 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by Hels
What non smoking??? Not sure what ya talking about.........~sweet, angelic grin~

:D ;) [me too:o ]


Originally Posted by Hels
I do like Credit Unions and alot of the bigger organisations even have their own. Like the Teachers Credit Union...and the Police....even the Uni where I work has their own CU

Ahhh...yes...now you've said it I have noticed this.

Sounds like the CU's we had in the UK then, which is exactly as you mention above:)

phoenixinoz Apr 20th 2006 1:18 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by Juliecabs
Thanks Phoenix and Hels for your help.
I reckon a bit more investigating is needed.
My family over there swear by a credit union. Will email them and ask why.
Will let you know.

My pleasure Julie, although I think it was Hels that answered, but cheers anyways:o

Good luck with the banking BTW.

You'll notice a big difference between banking in UK and banking over here, but the key is you need to bank smarter here and shop around and it shouldn't cost an arm and a leg if you box clever;)

kiwichild Apr 20th 2006 1:54 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by phoenixinoz
You can't get credit on a debit card, unless an overdraft or Credit facilities have been aranged on the account where the Debit card is connected to.They can Levy additional charges if they wish, and some do. It is rare but it does happen as some Merchants prefer Credit cards to Debit cards.

You are missing the WHOLE FRIGGIN POINT!

You DO NOT try to obtain a line of credit on your debit card.

You use the CREDIT function when making purchases within the amount of money you actually have in your debit account.

If you do this there will be NO additional charges(from the merchant) excepting for those that may apply to a standard credit card

Do you actually understand English mate?

OzTennis Apr 20th 2006 1:57 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by phoenixinoz
Agree. That's because one is a debit to your account [debit card] so you spend your own money, whilst the other is a credit to your account [credit card] so you spend the banks money;)

It is easy to understand:rolleyes: Honest:D

But of course that is looking at it from the Bank's point of view. If you look at it from the customer's point of view the Debit Card would actually be called a Credit card and a Credit Card would be called a Debit Card because the customer would be doing the opposite to the bank in their own records! As you say it's so easy! :D

OzTennis :)

kiwichild Apr 20th 2006 2:07 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by OzTennis
As you say it's so easy! :D OzTennis :)

It is easy but I have spent countless keystrokes trying to get him to understand the bloody thing... so either it's not that easy or he was shitstirring

OzTennis Apr 20th 2006 2:18 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by kiwichild
It is easy but I have spent countless keystrokes trying to get him to understand the bloody thing... so either it's not that easy or he was shitstirring

Yep, I guess the word Visa is the fly in the ointment. Perhaps if they renamed it a Switch Debit Card there wouldn't be a problem? :D

OzTennis :)

glennandkate Apr 20th 2006 3:40 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 
OMG - I think I started something with this thread - I only wanted to know if Visa Debits were new to Oz and if it was worth paying an extra buck a month for one:D I gather the EFTPOS (or whatever it was) is like your Maestro cards over here (difference being here you get to the counter at the petrol station and they anounce they dont actually take Maestro!!!)

kiwichild Apr 20th 2006 10:45 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by glennandkate
OMG - I think I started something with this thread - I only wanted to know if Visa Debits were new to Oz and if it was worth paying an extra buck a month for one:D I gather the EFTPOS (or whatever it was) is like your Maestro cards over here (difference being here you get to the counter at the petrol station and they anounce they dont actually take Maestro!!!)

EFTPOS stands for: Electronic Funds Transfer Point Of Sale. People use standard type debit cards (ones linked to a cheque or savings account) to make purchases. A 4 digit PIN number must be entered.

With a Debit Visa or Debit Mastercard, though it is is infact a debit account it is not linked to a cheque or savings account but to a non-credit credit account (ie, one that the bank does not actually give you a line of credit but simply allows you to use a credit function when dealing with merchants.)

The advantage is that you do not attract the same kind of fees that you normally would using a standard debit card, and you can also make purchases over the phone/internet/ and elsewhere where only a credit card is accepted.

They have been in OZ for some years but not every financial institution offers them. If you don't actually need a line of credit, don't want to pay interest and monthly charges etc, but want the convenience of being able to shop literally anywhere then yes they are well worth an extra dollar.

Apologies to Phoenix in OZ, I think what happened was we hit crosswires along the way. Obviously the concept of a debit 'credit' card is one that is challenging for some to grasp.

glennandkate Apr 20th 2006 10:53 am

Re: Visa Debit Cards
 

Originally Posted by kiwichild
EFTPOS stands for: Electronic Funds Transfer Point Of Sale. People use standard type debit cards (ones linked to a cheque or savings account) to make purchases. A 4 digit PIN number must be entered.

With a Debit Visa or Debit Mastercard, though it is is infact a debit account it is not linked to a cheque or savings account but to a non-credit credit account (ie, one that the bank does not actually give you a line of credit but simply allows you to use a credit function when dealing with merchants.)

The advantage is that you do not attract the same kind of fees that you normally would using a standard debit card, and you can also make purchases over the phone/internet/ and elsewhere where only a credit card is accepted.

They have been in OZ for some years but not every financial institution offers them. If you don't actually need a line of credit, don't want to pay interest and monthly charges etc, but want the convenience of being able to shop literally anywhere then yes they are well worth an extra dollar.

Apologies to Phoenix in OZ, I think what happened was we hit crosswires along the way. Obviously the concept of a debit 'credit' card is one that is challenging for some to grasp.

Thanks Kiwichild - totally understood now - Where we are only used to the visa debit linked to your current account this is a totally new concept for us.
Katie x


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