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Old Jun 5th 2018, 11:39 am
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Hi,
When I use the free HMRC online tool for submitting a tax return I get the following warning:
You cannot use this service if you are a non resident or non domiciled in the uk.
I am non domiciled and i have income in the UK and have just received a another request to submit a return.

Does anyone out there just ignore this warning and submit anyway? It seems to work. I understand that it is technically the wrong thing to do.

I have included a picture.
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Old Jun 5th 2018, 1:45 pm
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Call me dumb, but if you are registered non dom by HMRC dont you think its a bit risky to do something illegal/specifically not allowed, on the HMRC website?
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Im betting the real reason is that the online form does not cover all situations abroad or ask you to declare some more compkex tax info being a non dom. I also bet given the nature of the revenue that when you confirm you understand the rules of the form on completing it that you make yourself open to penalties / being charged with something.
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Originally Posted by davidkayla
Hi,
When I use the free HMRC online tool for submitting a tax return I get the following warning:
You cannot use this service if you are a non resident or non domiciled in the uk.
I am non domiciled and i have income in the UK and have just received a another request to submit a return.

Does anyone out there just ignore this warning and submit anyway? It seems to work. I understand that it is technically the wrong thing to do.

I have included a picture.
David.
HMRC are away with the fairies. We left the UK 12 years ago and sorted out all our tax affairs before we left. HMRC confirmed this in documentation that we still have. Last year, my wife got hit up for tax returns going back 9 years - all the time we'd lived here. We queried why and were told that they had to be done or she would be hit with penalties. I guess it was to do with properties we had owned over there and they were angling for some kind of bullshit CGT liability. As expected, there was no tax owing and she actually got back a few hundred quid (don't know how that worked)!

If I was you, I'd just submit it
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Old Jun 7th 2018, 7:39 am
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Originally Posted by davidkayla
Hi,
When I use the free HMRC online tool for submitting a tax return I get the following warning:
You cannot use this service if you are a non resident or non domiciled in the uk.
I am non domiciled and i have income in the UK and have just received a another request to submit a return.

Does anyone out there just ignore this warning and submit anyway? It seems to work. I understand that it is technically the wrong thing to do.

I have included a picture.
David.
The form you posted states that there are other ways of submitting online if you can't use that one, have you checked that?
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The form you posted states that there are other ways of submitting online if you can't use that one, have you checked that?
You can submit online if you use commercial software, rather than HMRC's own. Of course, you have to buy that....
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You can submit online if you use commercial software, rather than HMRC's own. Of course, you have to buy that....
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I submitted for years on the HMRC website, all the time with my address registered with them in Australia. It wasn't until I spoke to someone else that I realised I wasn't supposed to be doing that. This year I have used some software called TaxCalc which if anything was even easier than HMRC and still came out with a $0 return. Cost 25 pounds.
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Originally Posted by davidkayla
Hi,
When I use the free HMRC online tool for submitting a tax return I get the following warning:
You cannot use this service if you are a non resident or non domiciled in the uk.
I am non domiciled and i have income in the UK and have just received a another request to submit a return.

Does anyone out there just ignore this warning and submit anyway? It seems to work. I understand that it is technically the wrong thing to do.

I have included a picture.
David.
I know lots of expats who use it anyway and have been doing so for years with no problems.
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Yes, the issue is the inability to submit the Residence supplement through the HMRC web site.

Commercial tax software is needed, or appoint a tax accountant. In case of need: www.bdhtax.com

If you don't lodge the Residence supplement you can't claim non residence, and the UK personal allowance - the personal allowance has a value if you have (say) net rental income in the UK.

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Originally Posted by Amazulu
HMRC are away with the fairies. We left the UK 12 years ago and sorted out all our tax affairs before we left. HMRC confirmed this in documentation that we still have. Last year, my wife got hit up for tax returns going back 9 years - all the time we'd lived here. We queried why and were told that they had to be done or she would be hit with penalties. I guess it was to do with properties we had owned over there and they were angling for some kind of bullshit CGT liability. As expected, there was no tax owing and she actually got back a few hundred quid (don't know how that worked)!

If I was you, I'd just submit it
Yes, you have to watch the Non Resident CGT returns in the UK these days, if you sell a residential property in the UK as a non resident person.

The NRCGT return is to be lodged within 30 days of a sale completing, whether or not you have any CGT to pay in the UK.

This is a new regime that came in on the 6th of April, 2015.

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Yes, you have to watch the Non Resident CGT returns in the UK these days, if you sell a residential property in the UK as a non resident person.

The NRCGT return is to be lodged within 30 days of a sale completing, whether or not you have any CGT to pay in the UK.

This is a new regime that came in on the 6th of April, 2015.

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Good to know

Thankfully we are now done with all that crap
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Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
I submitted for years on the HMRC website, all the time with my address registered with them in Australia. It wasn't until I spoke to someone else that I realised I wasn't supposed to be doing that. This year I have used some software called TaxCalc which if anything was even easier than HMRC and still came out with a $0 return. Cost 25 pounds.
I have bitten the bullet and have decide to purchase Taxcalc and file online in jan 2019. I am technology literate but I am worried that I won't understand a thing in the software. You have said it is easy, I hope I'll be able to battle through!

For the expats who use the UK tax office's software, be careful because when I phoned up a rep said I definitly couldn't use that software because I am resident abroad. I haven't heard a rep explicitly say that before.

If anyone knows of any other simple software please let me know.
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Hi David.

Yours is a timely post given 31 October is usually the last date for delivery of a paper based UK tax return.

Here's an extract from the HMRC website (emboldening added): https://www.gov.uk/self-assessment-t...sending-return

Using software or paper forms

You can choose to send any Self Assessment return using software or paper forms.

You must use one of these options to send returns:
  • for a partnership
  • for a trust and estate
  • if you get income from a trust
  • if you lived abroad as a non-resident
  • if you’re a Lloyd’s underwriter
You must use a paper form if you need to send a tax return for trustees of registered pension schemes (SA970).

The deadline for paper forms is 31 October (or 31 January if you’re a trustee of a registered pension scheme or a non-resident company).


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https://taxfiler.co.uk/non-agent

Have a look at Taxfiler too.

Or feel able to contact me through bdh Tax.

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