Unjustifiable Speed Fine
#31
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
1) Get a GPS
2) Set your cruise control so that you are travelling 1kph BELOW the posted limit - according to the GPS readout.
3) Change speed as the posted limit changes - on a long run (Syd-Bne) this will happen many times, but there is no point in resetting the cruise control each time, only when the limit changes from 100 to 110 and back again.
In the last five years I have done 120,000km around Australia and never had a speeding fine. But it certainly helps if you have a car with accessible cruise control buttons!
2) Set your cruise control so that you are travelling 1kph BELOW the posted limit - according to the GPS readout.
3) Change speed as the posted limit changes - on a long run (Syd-Bne) this will happen many times, but there is no point in resetting the cruise control each time, only when the limit changes from 100 to 110 and back again.
In the last five years I have done 120,000km around Australia and never had a speeding fine. But it certainly helps if you have a car with accessible cruise control buttons!
Last edited by KJCherokee; Jun 4th 2012 at 12:18 am.
#32
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Unless you're around my area where it's quite acceptable to go just under 120 in a 100 zone on the 401 in Ontario. On a slow day you might not want to go too close to 120 but when it's busy there are plenty going over 120 for the cops to catch so you're pretty safe under that mark.
Other parts of Canada or Ontario are not so lenient though.
Other parts of Canada or Ontario are not so lenient though.
Buzz by them doing 130+ though will usually get their attention, rightfully so.
#33
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
you should add that if at all possible you should, rather than deviating from this setting even when the vehicle in the other lane is doing 0.0001 kph difference you should stick to it so that any overtaking manouvre can take upto 15 minutes.
#34
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Originally Posted by monkeyalan
you should add that if at all possible you should, rather than deviating from this setting even when the vehicle in the other lane is doing 0.0001 kph difference you should stick to it so that any overtaking manouvre can take upto 15 minutes.
On a two or three lane dual carriageway you can usually maintain your cruise speed by changing lanes.
#35
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Its a crap road between two of the biggest cities in Australia, speed changes every 2 km, ridiculous limits, camera's hidden behind bushes etc is unethical.
The fact is you WERE over the limit so take it and move on. I agree with most here on other matters such as anomalies between speedo's and gps.
The fact is you WERE over the limit so take it and move on. I agree with most here on other matters such as anomalies between speedo's and gps.
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Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Much safer to give a quick squirt up to 120+, get past the rolling roadblock and continue back at your cruising speed with clear vision and low stress levels on the remainder of your journey.
Its not about the 10 minutes saved - its about improving that all important safety buffer!
#37
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Tom Toms are not at all accurate at giving speeds. They are accurate to approx 10kmph, which in the context of a speeding fine is not good enough.
Never rely on a GPS for that sort of thing
Never rely on a GPS for that sort of thing
#38
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Velocity measured by a GPS is inherently 3 dimension, but consumer GPS receivers only report 2D (horizontal) speed on their readout. Garmin's specifications quote 0.1mph accuracy but due to signal degredation problems noted above, perhaps 0.5mph (0.8kph)accuracy in typical automobile applications would be what you can count on.
Note that this only applies when you are travelling at a constant speed, as the GPS is in effect telling you the average speed that you have been doing over the past second, so if you are accelerating or decellerating the GPS speed display will always lag behind your actual speed. This is why, if you are accelerating and press the "Set Cruise" button when the GPS indicates the desired speed, when everything settles down your actual set speed will be higher than you originally wanted.
Last edited by KJCherokee; Jun 4th 2012 at 2:39 am.
#39
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
My tom tom is pretty much always on the exact speed as the test camera installed on the Highway to Geelong.
The Fords Speedo was always 1 to 2 k under.
The Fords Speedo was always 1 to 2 k under.
#40
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Where on earth did you get that from? If it's true then it's a good reason for not buying a Tom-tom!
Velocity measured by a GPS is inherently 3 dimension, but consumer GPS receivers only report 2D (horizontal) speed on their readout. Garmin's specifications quote 0.1mph accuracy but due to signal degredation problems noted above, perhaps 0.5mph (0.8kph)accuracy in typical automobile applications would be what you can count on.
Note that this only applies when you are travelling at a constant speed, as the GPS is in effect telling you the average speed that you have been doing over the past second, so if you are accelerating or decellerating the GPS speed display will always lag behind your actual speed. This is why, if you are accelerating and press the "Set Cruise" button when the GPS indicates the desired speed, when everything settles down your actual set speed will be higher than you originally wanted.
Velocity measured by a GPS is inherently 3 dimension, but consumer GPS receivers only report 2D (horizontal) speed on their readout. Garmin's specifications quote 0.1mph accuracy but due to signal degredation problems noted above, perhaps 0.5mph (0.8kph)accuracy in typical automobile applications would be what you can count on.
Note that this only applies when you are travelling at a constant speed, as the GPS is in effect telling you the average speed that you have been doing over the past second, so if you are accelerating or decellerating the GPS speed display will always lag behind your actual speed. This is why, if you are accelerating and press the "Set Cruise" button when the GPS indicates the desired speed, when everything settles down your actual set speed will be higher than you originally wanted.
The positional accuracy of most consumer navigation devices are +/- 10m therefore its ability to offer a semi-live speed reading is hindered. Sure, an average speed reading is going to be pretty accurate, but when was the last time you received an average speeding fine?
There are way too many atmospheric variables at play when relying on a consumer navigation device, therefore trust your speedo above anything else
#41
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
There is a very simple proceedure for avoiding a speeding fine.
see. it's not rocket science. I've driven for 50 years, only had one speeding fine, and that was during road alterations where they had lowered the speed limit between me going through in the morning, to my return in the evening.
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Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
There is a very simple proceedure for avoiding a speeding fine.
see. it's not rocket science. I've driven for 50 years, only had one speeding fine, and that was during road alterations where they had lowered the speed limit between me going through in the morning, to my return in the evening.
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#43
Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
I think you just answered your own question.
The positional accuracy of most consumer navigation devices are +/- 10m therefore its ability to offer a semi-live speed reading is hindered. Sure, an average speed reading is going to be pretty accurate, but when was the last time you received an average speeding fine?
There are way too many atmospheric variables at play when relying on a consumer navigation device, therefore trust your speedo above anything else
The positional accuracy of most consumer navigation devices are +/- 10m therefore its ability to offer a semi-live speed reading is hindered. Sure, an average speed reading is going to be pretty accurate, but when was the last time you received an average speeding fine?
There are way too many atmospheric variables at play when relying on a consumer navigation device, therefore trust your speedo above anything else
If you want to be really safe, then go by your speedo which will always indicate a higher speed than you are actually travelling at.
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Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Most speeding fines are for travelling too fast at a fairly steady speed, not when accelerating, and the GPS will indicate that sort of speed accurately. When accelerating or decelerating the GPS indication will lag behind the actual speed, but as long as your speed is constant from one second to the next your GPS will be the most accurate way of measuring it. Set your cruise control against your GPS and avoid speeding tickets!
If you want to be really safe, then go by your speedo which will always indicate a higher speed than you are actually travelling at.
If you want to be really safe, then go by your speedo which will always indicate a higher speed than you are actually travelling at.
#45
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Re: Unjustifiable Speed Fine
Its 10 % in Qld and nothing in NSW and I think Victoria is maybe 5% or nothing as well , not sure about any of the other states, but over the posted speed limit is not good even if just over or loads over, the signage is there for a reason.
I have also been fined in the UK for going 5 mph over on a 70mph motor way so the 10 % in the UK does not always work either
I have also been fined in the UK for going 5 mph over on a 70mph motor way so the 10 % in the UK does not always work either