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Old Aug 14th 2011, 5:27 pm
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We are moving over on a 457 Visa and my son wants to carry on is University studies.
What kind of cost are we looking at any ideas?
Has anyone been or gone through this situation?
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Old Aug 14th 2011, 5:40 pm
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I have looked in to fees for studying in Australia for a Diploma in Education and the fees for a non-PR student was approximately 17k in comparison to approximately 5k for a student with PR/Australian citizen status.
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My son is also doing an education Degree. He has just comlpleted his first year.
So you said 17k opposed to 5K. is this per year?
He said to me 10K for 1 semester. Is this correct?
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Not sure what the university fees would be for a batchelor of education but for the diploma at JCU they were 15k for a 10 month course for non permanent residents.
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If you can bear to be apart from him, he would be far better off finishing his studies in UK both financially and temporally (honours degrees take 4 years here and international fees tend to run at around the $15 - 20k pa mark all depending on the course) and he can come here for holidays
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Originally Posted by weezypenguin
My son is also doing an education Degree. He has just comlpleted his first year.
So you said 17k opposed to 5K. is this per year?
He said to me 10K for 1 semester. Is this correct?
While we were still on a 457 we looked at the engineering fees for Eldestchild - it was about $10k per semester for him.

(Fortunately we got PR before he started, its about $3-4k per semester now - roll on next year when we have citizenship and with any luck he picks up a sponsorship)
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As PR I have a commonwealth supported place and am paying between $400 and $700 per unit of my course. If I didn't have PR each unit would be $2000-3000. Funnily enough, also education, but just the postgrad one year course.

Education is considered an in demand course so the fees are slightly lower.
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I agree that he should stay and finish his UK course for cost reasons.

However, he may be able to do an exchange with an Aus uni as part of his UK course. He could spend 6 months or 1 year in Aus attending uni and then return to UK to finish. This way he gets a UK degree but can put some Aus uni on his resume.
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Thanks for all you great input. The problem is that we actually live in Canada (moved here 8 yeas ago) so leaving him is not an option.
Dreamy, we will be in the same situation as yourself. I am getting the 457 Visa and we want to apply for PR as soon as possible. How long was it before you could apply? Also my wife is a Primary School teacher so we are hoping this will be our PR option.
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Originally Posted by weezypenguin
Thanks for all you great input. The problem is that we actually live in Canada (moved here 8 yeas ago) so leaving him is not an option.
Dreamy, we will be in the same situation as yourself. I am getting the 457 Visa and we want to apply for PR as soon as possible. How long was it before you could apply? Also my wife is a Primary School teacher so we are hoping this will be our PR option.
You can apply for PR as soon as you are eligible
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Originally Posted by weezypenguin
Thanks for all you great input. The problem is that we actually live in Canada (moved here 8 yeas ago) so leaving him is not an option.
Dreamy, we will be in the same situation as yourself. I am getting the 457 Visa and we want to apply for PR as soon as possible. How long was it before you could apply? Also my wife is a Primary School teacher so we are hoping this will be our PR option.
Has your wife start a skilled migrant visa application? It is a long process as first of all she will need to secure state sponsorship, could be very difficult if the state your job is in is not sponsoring primary school teachers.

What other plan would you have to get a permanent visa? Do you qualify for one and if not then what will change to make you qualify for one? "Time" is nothing to do with it, you do not get permanent resident visas because you have been in Australia a certain length of time.

Where was son planning to go to university if the job had not come up in Australia?
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Originally Posted by weezypenguin
Thanks for all you great input. The problem is that we actually live in Canada (moved here 8 yeas ago) so leaving him is not an option.
Dreamy, we will be in the same situation as yourself. I am getting the 457 Visa and we want to apply for PR as soon as possible. How long was it before you could apply? Also my wife is a Primary School teacher so we are hoping this will be our PR option.
Weezy, it really depends on your own circumstances as to when you can apply for PR. We were waiting for the two year period so that Himself didn't need to do the CDR for employer PR sponsorship when it turned out that his HNC was equivalent to a degree, so his employer then sponsored us on that basis.

If the 457 is in respect of your employment, can your employer not sponsor you for PR straight away? This can be a quicker way to get PR than to go through the GSM route for your wife's qualifications.

Here's the criteria for ENS PR visa: ENS 121/856

To be eligible for permanent residency under this visa, you must meet all of the following requirements at the time of lodging an application:

you must hold a qualifying visa

the nominated position must relate to an occupation listed on the ENSOL.

You must also meet one of the following requirements:

have worked full-time in Australia in the nominated occupation on a Subclass 418, 421, 422, 428, 444, 457 or 461 temporary residence visa for the last two years prior to the visa application being made (including at least the last 12 months with the nominating employer)
have been nominated to fill a position with a base salary of more than AUD250 000 per annum (excluding superannuation or allowances)
have had your skills assessed as suitable by the relevant skills assessing authority and, unless exceptional circumstances apply, have at least three years full-time work experience in the occupation before the visa application is lodged. A list of assessing bodies can be found in the Employer Nomination Scheme Occupation List (ENSOL).
You must also:

have an employer who is willing to sponsor you for permanent residency
demonstrate that you have the appropriate skills, qualifications and/or experience to fill the position
meet any mandatory licensing, registration or professional membership requirements which allow you to work unsupervised and without further training
be under 45 years of age
provide a letter of appointment or a contract signed by both the employer and yourself
have vocational English language ability.
(The criteria above is for the on-shore 856)

It can be an expensive situation in NSW to be on a 457 if you have children, without going into how the uncertainty of the visa can affect every day life.
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Originally Posted by weezypenguin
We are moving over on a 457 Visa and my son wants to carry on is University studies.
Firstly, you can't "move" on a 457 - you're not much more than a medium term visitor.

Secondly, for a variety of reasons, your son should probably stay at university where he is. If he is still dependent on you if and when you go for permanent residence, then he could get a visa based on your application. Although if you want to include him the whole family needs to make an "offshore" application for migration.

And if you don't understand what the last sentence means, find a good migration agent immediately.
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Originally Posted by weezypenguin
Thanks for all you great input. The problem is that we actually live in Canada (moved here 8 yeas ago) so leaving him is not an option.
Dreamy, we will be in the same situation as yourself. I am getting the 457 Visa and we want to apply for PR as soon as possible. How long was it before you could apply? Also my wife is a Primary School teacher so we are hoping this will be our PR option.
If you find a sponsoring employer, why not apply for PR straight away? You don't necessarily have to have the 457 first.

Generally, with older children, it's unwise to come to Australia on a 457 unless as part of a good employer expatriation package. Too much risk that they will be refused permanent residence as part of the family unit later on, and a lot of upheaval if they have to return to home country.

You don't tell us if you're Canadian citizens or not, obviously if you're not then a clock will start ticking when you leave. After which you won't be able to get back to Canada if things in Australia don't work out.
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Old Aug 16th 2011, 5:03 pm
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No i am an Canadian Citizen, also a British Citizen.
The company i work for is a Global company and I have worked for them in UK an Canada.
So if i was to get the employee to go for PR rather than 457, is there a big difference it timelines etc?
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