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Old Aug 16th 2010, 3:36 pm
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Originally Posted by Kim67
When they were in school in Perh I made sure they were in a school with a good reputation in a good suburb. We rented in an area where we knew even state school education would be okay. I did have to make an effort myself though, the school we chose didn't have a strings program so I had to make the extra time to take my eldest to private cello lessons, I had to try a couple of ballet schools before I found the right one for my girls - everything's about trial and error, if you don't get it right the first time, try again.
I moved the kids 5 years ago, to a school in a very good suburb, after I met a mum whose son is in the same year as mine. We had an interview with the principal, unfortunately he lied.

Originally Posted by Mahuac
Hi there, I just anted to flag something up at a secondary school level, I've been teaching for four years (UK based) and we have a lot of Aussie teachers in our school. The things I will say that is VERY noticeable is that whilst they are good teachers they are not used to differentiating their lessons in the way that UK trained teachers are and therefore sometimes they struggle to meet the needs of each child.

Of course the issue of whether teachers actually do this day in day out is a separate one. However the way we are taught to do this at uni and the expectations that parents have of how we do this is different when compared with Aussie teachers. I line managed one teacher and what was clear from his teaching was that he wasn't accustomed to tailoring his lessons for the needs of each child, unless the child had English as a second language, which is in some ways easier to differentiate for. His teaching style was more formulaic and teacher led and this is a pattern I have seen in a lot of Aussie teachers. Obviously other peoples experiences may be different, but I do have a number of Aussie friends who have also noticed a difference between the way we teach and the way they were taught.
Thanks for this info, Mahuac, it certainly reflects what we have experienced as parents in the primary system here. On our recent trip to the UK, talking to family and friends, several of whom are UK teachers as well as parents, they were appalled at what we were telling them.
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Originally Posted by Kim67
No I'm not there and not returning to WA, though they were in the WA system in 2008. My kids would love to return to WA as they loved it and their school in South Perth was the best school on the planet according to them (and they've been to a few) but I hate the cold, we have our own house in Brisbane, and the East Coast is more happening for us.

When they were in school in Perh I made sure they were in a school with a good reputation in a good suburb. We rented in an area where we knew even state school education would be okay. I did have to make an effort myself though, the school we chose didn't have a strings program so I had to make the extra time to take my eldest to private cello lessons, I had to try a couple of ballet schools before I found the right one for my girls - everything's about trial and error, if you don't get it right the first time, try again.
You are fighting a losing battle Kim.
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You are fighting a losing battle Kim.
Yeah, I know.
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Originally Posted by floss in dubai
Yes. And as I said, me included. I had a very successful 'career' in London. I was educated in WA. As were my friends who also managed to support themselves and survive in the business/teaching/oil worlds of the UK.
Some friends of ours:
Anaesthatist at PMH - went to an average, country WA school
Airline Pilot for BA (ex-RAAF F-18 pilot) - went to crap WA state school
IT specialist and millionaire (ex-RAAF test pilot) - went to average WA state school.
HR director and lawyer - went to average WA state school.
plus others

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Just wondering if the IB is as recognised as it's renowned to be. Would, say, an office manager in a local firm be informed enough about the qualification when interviewing a young person in the UK? Is it the case that only very large firms in the UK would understand it?
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Don't be silly, of course all we born and bred aussies are complete morons, raising more morons. If it wasn't for us, you'd have to complain about.
Hay! Speek for yourself. I'm knot a moron. I'm reely good at speling and righting and I can even ad up reely hard sums if I youse a calcyoolater. I can only hope my kids have the same suksess. Although, as the yungest won has now inrolled into the state sistem, I have proberbly doomed him to a life of ignoranse and no hope of eny sought of career.
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MOST of the posters here seem to be from Perth, l wonder are schools in Melbourne and Sydney better, they have a much larger population so maybe more variety of schools.
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Originally Posted by floss in dubai
Hay! Speek for yourself. I'm knot a moron. I'm reely good at speling and righting and I can even ad up reely hard sums if I youse a calcyoolater. I can only hope my kids have the same suksess. Although, as the yungest won has now inrolled into the state sistem, I have proberbly doomed him to a life of ignoranse and no hope of eny sought of career.
That's coz yoos been in Dubai too long communicatin' with the wrest of us hunheducumated lot.

(By the way, heard from Poitin today and they're off to Brisbane to find a rental this weekend, so exciting, can't wait to get home.)
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That's coz yoos been in Dubai too long communicatin' with the wrest of us hunheducumated lot.

(By the way, heard from Poitin today and they're off to Brisbane to find a rental this weekend, so exciting, can't wait to get home.)
Have yoo been on that uther site that likes to do nuthing better than slag off the edyoocashun system in Dubai?

Heard from her myself a week or so ago but was slack in finally replying. Our sons are on Facebook to each other but being boys, spend ages on it without actually exchanging any information.

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Originally Posted by floss in dubai
Have yoo been on that uther site that likes to do nuthing better than slag off the edyoocashun system in Dubai?

Heard from her myself a week or so ago but was slack in finally replying. Our sons are on Facebook to each other but being boys, spend ages on it without actually exchanging any information.

Hope you're enjoying your last Ramadan at the height of summer.
EW is my constant source of irritation and entertainment, all a bit quiet at the moment, must all be too plastered to go online after they stocked up on their last Barracuda run before Ramadan. Enjoy Perth!
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MOST of the posters here seem to be from Perth, l wonder are schools in Melbourne and Sydney better, they have a much larger population so maybe more variety of schools.
Yes, I'd be interested in that too!

This post has caught my attention as we are hopefully about to relocate to Melbourne and my oldest will only be starting school.

So depressing to hear of such awful teachers and schools..............
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Yes, I'd be interested in that too!

This post has caught my attention as we are hopefully about to relocate to Melbourne and my oldest will only be starting school.

So depressing to hear of such awful teachers and schools..............
From my experience at two primary schools and one high school for my kids and 3 primary schools and one high school for myself; no schools were awful and most teachers were more than competent. The system is DIFFERENT. It's not as academic in the early years but that's not necessarily a bad thing. My kids went from Australian to British Curriculum. My daughter was receiving level 7a/8 when we left the British Curriculum, so her time in the Australian curriculum couldn't have been THAT much of a disadvantage.
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Originally Posted by floss in dubai
From my experience at two primary schools and one high school for my kids and 3 primary schools and one high school for myself; no schools were awful and most teachers were more than competent. The system is DIFFERENT. It's not as academic in the early years but that's not necessarily a bad thing. My kids went from Australian to British Curriculum. My daughter was receiving level 7a/8 when we left the British Curriculum, so her time in the Australian curriculum couldn't have been THAT much of a disadvantage.
I am one of those struggling with schools here in WA but I wouldn't describe the schools my children go to as awful either. My experience, with my 3 children, is that there has been a much bigger variation between individual teachers here than there was in the UK. This becomes much more apparent when those teachers have much more autonomy over what, when and how they teach. One of my boys has had a succession of fantastic teachers, the other two have not been so fortunate.
The system is definitely different and being less academic in the early years may or may not be a bad thing but it does cause problems if your children are used to and enjoy the more academic approach.
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A good friend of mine (a psychiatrist) told me for young children (which is what this thread is all about) it's more important for them to develop socially, to feel like they belong in a group rather than be filled with facts and figures.

2 of the three primary school in Australia my kids have attended have been great for this - Poseidon and Ocean Reef.

However secondary school is what's really important for an academic education and every day I thank my lucky stars that my kids go to and will be going to what I believe is the best school for miles around - St Marks.
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A good friend of mine (a psychiatrist) told me for young children (which is what this thread is all about) it's more important for them to develop socially, to feel like they belong in a group rather than be filled with facts and figures.

2 of the three primary school in Australia my kids have attended have been great for this - Poseidon and Ocean Reef.

However secondary school is what's really important for an academic education and every day I thank my lucky stars that my kids go to and will be going to what I believe is the best school for miles around - St Marks.
My eldest arrived in Perth as a shy, withdrawn 7 year old who hated school because of the push push push mentality the British have in early childhood education. Her grades were poor and the SATS she took just before we left were dreadful. She is now a confident, mature young student who loves school, takes pride in her work and her last report was almost all A grades. I don't think this would have happened to her if she had been educated in the UK. I think the relentless pushing to get your school the best placings comes at a cost to some children. If it wasn't for the dreadful state high school situation in some parts of Perth I would be happy.

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