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ebo1608 Oct 31st 2017 10:38 pm

UK citizenship rule
 
Just wondered how many people don't know that a child born in Aus to a Brit born in UK is British?

BritInParis Oct 31st 2017 11:15 pm

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Sometimes that's the case, sometimes not. Depends on the circumstances and the date of birth. As a general rule I suspect most people would realise that they would have some entitlement (unless they were a Member of Parliament obviously :P)

spouse of scouse Oct 31st 2017 11:17 pm

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Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12372238)
Sometimes that's the case, sometimes not. Depends on the circumstances and the date of birth. As a general rule I suspect most people would realise that they would have some entitlement (unless they were a Member of Parliament obviously :P)

:lol:

Pulaski Oct 31st 2017 11:34 pm

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Originally Posted by ebo1608 (Post 12372219)
Just wondered how many people don't know that a child born in Aus to a Brit born in UK is British?

The opposite seems to be more true, that despite their grandparents and earlier ancestors having been British some people can't get their head around the idea that they aren't already British and entitled to a British passport.

Beoz Nov 1st 2017 9:05 pm

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Originally Posted by ebo1608 (Post 12372219)
Just wondered how many people don't know that a child born in Aus to a Brit born in UK is British?

Easy done. And even worse. There's plenty of British citizens that have lived in Australia since they were young children as residents, without Australian citizenship.

If you don't travel, and plenty don't, there's no need to query it.

BritInParis Nov 1st 2017 9:21 pm

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12372933)
Easy done. And even worse. There's plenty of British citizens that have lived in Australia since they were young children as residents, without Australian citizenship.

If you don't travel, and plenty don't, there's no need to query it.

Until they do so on their British passports to visit the 'old country' and get turn away from their return flights.

Beoz Nov 1st 2017 10:33 pm

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Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12372952)
Until they do so on their British passports to visit the 'old country' and get turn away from their return flights.

If you are a resident of Oz, why would you get turned away?

Plenty don't even travel in the first place and therefore have no passport and subsequently no clue what their citizenship is or just assume they are Australian by length of living.

BritInParis Nov 1st 2017 11:10 pm

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12373009)
If you are a resident of Oz, why would you get turned away?

Because there's no digital record of their immigration status. They arrived as ten pounds poms as babes in arms in the '50s and '60s and never had any subsequent interaction with DIBP. They are permanent residents but it relies on digging through old microfiches or immigration cards to prove it. As they didn't provide DIBP with their passport details before they left they end up getting stuck in the UK until their status is confirmed.


Plenty don't even travel in the first place and therefore have no passport and subsequently no clue what their citizenship is or just assume they are Australian by length of living.
Very true and as they can also vote there's no disadvantage if they don't travel. Unless they get convicted of a crime and deported back to the UK obviously.

Briton who has lived in Australia for 50 years faces deportation for scrub fire - The Guardian

Australia carries out British man's deportation - ABC News (Australian Broadcasting Corporation)

Australia to deport mother-of-five to UK for crimes - BBC News

Beoz Nov 1st 2017 11:54 pm

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Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12373026)
Because there's no digital record of their immigration status. They arrived as ten pounds poms as babes in arms in the '50s and '60s and never had any subsequent interaction with DIBP. They are permanent residents but it relies on digging through old microfiches or immigration cards to prove it. As they didn't provide DIBP with their passport details before they left they end up getting stuck in the UK until their status is confirmed.

Indeed. Probably have trouble leaving Oz in the first place.


Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12373026)

Indeedo again.

If I were to go back through the citizenship laws of every country that make up my line back to great grandparents it would be a big task.

I know I am a British and Australian citizen but there are no less than 5 other countries in the mix.

Section 44 needs some serious work.

BritInParis Nov 2nd 2017 12:46 am

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12373047)
Indeed. Probably have trouble leaving Oz in the first place.

Certainly get a ticking off on the way out.


Indeedo again.

If I were to go back through the citizenship laws of every country that make up my line back to great grandparents it would be a big task.

I know I am a British and Australian citizen but there are no less than 5 other countries in the mix.

Section 44 needs some serious work.
Written in the days when the British Empire spanned a quarter of the globe. It wasn't intended to catch out Brits, Kiwis, Canadians, etc.. as all were British subjects. If the same principle was applied to Commonwealth citizens now then none of the five concerned would have been ruled ineligible. As it is it will require a referendum to change it which has obviously been kicked down the road for decades now. Odds on it being on the ballot paper at the next election.

Beoz Nov 2nd 2017 12:52 am

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Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12373067)
Certainly get a ticking off on the way out.



Written in the days when the British Empire spanned a quarter of the globe. It wasn't intended to catch out Brits, Kiwis, Canadians, etc.. as all were British subjects. If the same principle was applied to Commonwealth citizens now then none of the five concerned would have been ruled ineligible. As it is it will require a referendum to change it which has obviously been kicked down the road for decades now. Odds on it being on the ballot paper at the next election.

Then there's the non Empire / Commonwealth countries.

BritInParis Nov 2nd 2017 1:00 am

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Originally Posted by Beoz (Post 12373069)
Then there's the non Empire / Commonwealth countries.

All of whom were bright enough to renounce before standing, bar Canavan, who got away with it by the skin of his teeth.

GarryP Nov 2nd 2017 1:33 am

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Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12373067)
As it is it will require a referendum to change it which has obviously been kicked down the road for decades now. Odds on it being on the ballot paper at the next election.

As long as it's alongside ballot on requiring them to have no connection to conglomerates and multinationals.

Realistically dual citizenship is not as important an issue as corporate corruption and dancing to the tune of a corporate master. Only have to look at the NBN for the evidence of how destructive for the Australian citizen that can be.

Swerv-o Nov 2nd 2017 1:38 am

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Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12373077)
As long as it's alongside ballot on requiring them to have no connection to conglomerates and multinationals.


I thought that was a pre-requisite for becoming a politician?


S

Beoz Nov 2nd 2017 1:48 am

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Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12373077)
As long as it's alongside ballot on requiring them to have no connection to conglomerates and multinationals.

No unions? What a surprise.


Originally Posted by GarryP (Post 12373077)
Realistically dual citizenship is not as important an issue as corporate corruption and dancing to the tune of a corporate master. Only have to look at the NBN for the evidence of how destructive for the Australian citizen that can be.

True. NBN was a disaster from the outset. What were the leaders thinking at the time when they set up the NBN Co.


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