Thoughts on London bombings
#46
Re: Thoughts on London bombings
Originally Posted by Stu.E
and as with all true things. They can use it....
I'm more repulsed by the act of blowing up a bus with a hundred people in it.
Dirk
#47
Re: Thoughts on London bombings
Originally Posted by Dirk Gently
and as with all true things. They can use it....
I'm more repulsed by the act of blowing up a bus with a hundred people in it.
Dirk
I'm more repulsed by the act of blowing up a bus with a hundred people in it.
Dirk
I wasn't disputing the evil of the bombers. Just disgusted that the bigotted idiots of the BNP are twisted enough to use it for their own gain.
#48
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That truly shows what kind of people the BNP are.
I'm still running on my island ticket, compulsory purchase the isle-of-wight and fill it with burberry stores, then run full page adverts in the Sun/Mirror/Sport that burberry and Tommy Hilfigger have opened a massive outlet store in Cowes. Free ferry rides to the island for 2 weeks, plus free holiday at the new butlins for every reader, conditions apply (must be white). Even offer a telephone or SMS , entry so you dont have to be able to read or mark your X on the paper... then sink the ferries in cowes harbor and put up an exclusion zone.
I'm still running on my island ticket, compulsory purchase the isle-of-wight and fill it with burberry stores, then run full page adverts in the Sun/Mirror/Sport that burberry and Tommy Hilfigger have opened a massive outlet store in Cowes. Free ferry rides to the island for 2 weeks, plus free holiday at the new butlins for every reader, conditions apply (must be white). Even offer a telephone or SMS , entry so you dont have to be able to read or mark your X on the paper... then sink the ferries in cowes harbor and put up an exclusion zone.
#49
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Originally Posted by Un-Co
I wasn't disputing the evil of the bombers. Just disgusted that the bigotted idiots of the BNP are twisted enough to use it for their own gain.
#50
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
And I suppose that Bush didn't use 9/11 to win his election. Or Putin didn't use Checnya to boost his election votes, or the Left Wing in Spain didn't use the bombings in Madrid to take power by promising to remove troops from Iraq. Are they all twisted too?
#51
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
And I suppose that Bush didn't use 9/11 to win his election. Or Putin didn't use Checnya to boost his election votes, or the Left Wing in Spain didn't use the bombings in Madrid to take power by promising to remove troops from Iraq. Are they all twisted too?
Anyone who saw the documentary on the BNP - and this backed up by the fact 2 of their leadership are on trial / in gaol, can't possibly defend their views/methods/policies/approach. They are racists out and out , no better than the KKK.
Did Bush run a campaign poster the week of the 9/11 crashes with pictures on it ? I dont think so matey.
#52
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Originally Posted by spalen
Bush & Co are not twisted because they' are not promoting policies that sponsor racism and isolationism.
Anyone who saw the documentary on the BNP - and this backed up by the fact 2 of their leadership are on trial / in gaol, can't possibly defend their views/methods/policies/approach. They are racists out and out , no better than the KKK.
Did Bush run a campaign poster the week of the 9/11 crashes with pictures on it ? I dont think so matey.
Anyone who saw the documentary on the BNP - and this backed up by the fact 2 of their leadership are on trial / in gaol, can't possibly defend their views/methods/policies/approach. They are racists out and out , no better than the KKK.
Did Bush run a campaign poster the week of the 9/11 crashes with pictures on it ? I dont think so matey.
You must ask yourself why people have such views and why people vote for them. When the BNP get a councillor elected and get more votes than labour does that mean the whole constituency is twisted?
#53
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
O.K. so if a party promotes policies you disagree with then they are twisted. And if you think the documentary was unbiased you need to see who is pulling the TV producers strings.
You must ask yourself why people have such views and why people vote for them. When the BNP get a councillor elected and get more votes than labour does that mean the whole constituency is twisted?
You must ask yourself why people have such views and why people vote for them. When the BNP get a councillor elected and get more votes than labour does that mean the whole constituency is twisted?
And yes I did media studies at school too ref your follow the money comment. Nick Griffin has been charged with a crime in the UK - inciting racial hatred - when he gets convicted because there is video evidence of him doing it then tell me that people voting for him arent supporting a criminal ? . No rational person can support the bnp. Them winning a consituency is because there is a balance of racist idiots in the consituency who dont realise that they've just advertised to the majority of sensible educated people in the UK that they are not. They can go 1st class to the isle of wight.
#54
Re: Thoughts on London bombings
Originally Posted by spalen
And yes I did media studies at school too ref your follow the money comment. Nick Griffin has been charged with a crime in the UK - inciting racial hatred - when he gets convicted because there is video evidence of him doing it then tell me that people voting for him arent supporting a criminal ? .
No rational person can support the bnp.
Them winning a consituency is because there is a balance of racist idiots in the consituency who dont realise that they've just advertised to the majority of sensible educated people in the UK that they are not. They can go 1st class to the isle of wight.
No rational person can support the bnp.
Them winning a consituency is because there is a balance of racist idiots in the consituency who dont realise that they've just advertised to the majority of sensible educated people in the UK that they are not. They can go 1st class to the isle of wight.
No rational person can support the bnp. Well, they get lots of votes so there must be a lot of irrational people out there.
They can go 1st class to the isle of wight.That's democracy for you. Didn't a bear get voted in in Hartlepool?
If you want free speech you have to allow those whose views you dislike to speak as well, otherwise free speech is an illusion.
Last edited by NedKelly; Jul 14th 2005 at 5:58 am.
#55
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
If you want free speech you have to allow those whose views you dislike to speak as well, otherwise free speech is an illusion.
To compare Arrafat, Mandela, etc to these monkeys is an insult. Just how is Nick Griffin and his legions of un-gcse'd followers suffering repression, torture, daily assault and personal threat for life in an unsafe society ?
#56
Re: Thoughts on London bombings
Originally Posted by spalen
There is a difference between Freedom of Speech and Incitement , personally I think Voltaire was wrong with his 'defend to the death the right to say it'. Would you support then the right of the fatwa mosque immams such as Mr finsbury mosque who preaches to his brethren that they should rise up and strike down the infidels...
To compare Arrafat, Mandela, etc to these monkeys is an insult. Just how is Nick Griffin and his legions of un-gcse'd followers suffering repression, torture, daily assault and personal threat for life in an unsafe society ?
To compare Arrafat, Mandela, etc to these monkeys is an insult. Just how is Nick Griffin and his legions of un-gcse'd followers suffering repression, torture, daily assault and personal threat for life in an unsafe society ?
So if I understand you correctly, it's OK to bomb, maim and terrorise people if the followers are suffering repression, torture, etc. etc. You conveniently left out Adams & McGuinness.
#57
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Originally Posted by NedKelly
As for the Immams, I would execute them for treason against the Crown.
So if I understand you correctly, it's OK to bomb, maim and terrorise people if the followers are suffering repression, torture, etc. etc. You conveniently left out Adams & McGuinness.
So if I understand you correctly, it's OK to bomb, maim and terrorise people if the followers are suffering repression, torture, etc. etc. You conveniently left out Adams & McGuinness.
#58
Re: Thoughts on London bombings
Originally Posted by Shellfish
and 74 (+-) virgins waiting for them in heaven
#59
Joined: Aug 2003
Posts: 11,149
Re: Thoughts on London bombings
Originally Posted by renth
what about all this spirit of the Bliz then?
#60
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I feel there are three separate issues.
Firstly the fact that the bombers were born and bred in the UK, and that their own families are unlikely to know their own children's intentions. The bombers weren't migrants, but how much of the planning has been done purely from UK citizens and how much by contacts overseas I don't know.
Secondly, there is no doubt that Oz is on the "hit list", not the place to go to get away from it... try New Zealand, they don't get involved!!
On the immigration front, many people seem to miss that fact that it is very easy to physically get into the UK as we have a large coastline that is in close proximity to the European mainland, and vast amounts of traffic travelling in and out of the UK every day. That's why it's much easier for Australia to exclude illegal immigrants, it's a flaming long ride from anywhere else. Having said that the terrorists are not immigrants. There have been and always will be wicked people intent on hurting others throughout the world, a sad relfection though it is.
There are many people who have to face the fear of shootings and bombings everyday of their lives through no more fault of their own than it was the poor souls in London. At least we do only get it occasionally. We still have more chance of dying in a road accident, but we still get in our cars. We are still more scared of seeing a spider than we are a gun or a car, and probably still more than if we see some innocent Indian guy on his way to work with his bag!
It's a tragedy for all concerned, but we need to get it in perspective if we're to not let terrorists cause terror and change what we do. I for one cherish what I gain from working in a multi-cultural envirnoment and am prepared to do just that.
Firstly the fact that the bombers were born and bred in the UK, and that their own families are unlikely to know their own children's intentions. The bombers weren't migrants, but how much of the planning has been done purely from UK citizens and how much by contacts overseas I don't know.
Secondly, there is no doubt that Oz is on the "hit list", not the place to go to get away from it... try New Zealand, they don't get involved!!
On the immigration front, many people seem to miss that fact that it is very easy to physically get into the UK as we have a large coastline that is in close proximity to the European mainland, and vast amounts of traffic travelling in and out of the UK every day. That's why it's much easier for Australia to exclude illegal immigrants, it's a flaming long ride from anywhere else. Having said that the terrorists are not immigrants. There have been and always will be wicked people intent on hurting others throughout the world, a sad relfection though it is.
There are many people who have to face the fear of shootings and bombings everyday of their lives through no more fault of their own than it was the poor souls in London. At least we do only get it occasionally. We still have more chance of dying in a road accident, but we still get in our cars. We are still more scared of seeing a spider than we are a gun or a car, and probably still more than if we see some innocent Indian guy on his way to work with his bag!
It's a tragedy for all concerned, but we need to get it in perspective if we're to not let terrorists cause terror and change what we do. I for one cherish what I gain from working in a multi-cultural envirnoment and am prepared to do just that.