They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Australia
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Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by IrishDigger
(Post 12869464)
Presented in a fun way but contains good information,
https://au.yahoo.com/news/backpacker...095824888.html |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
I thought it was funny, thank you for posting.
My wife (a continental Western European) thinks the same. Wages beyond anything she could make in Europe, and her family has immense difficulty conceiving of a place where a 50 km one-way drive to the supermarket is considered a quick run . . . and yes in the first town we lived in here, we had mornings where we had to scrape ice off the windshield. Though I don't actually find the prices higher than Western Europe. |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by carcajou
(Post 12869585)
Though I don't actually find the prices higher than Western Europe.
This is from the OECD for 2019 in USD for disposable income: 1 United States 46,903 2 Switzerland 38,469 3 Norway 37,729 4 Australia 36,156 5 Germany 35,935 6 Austria 34,491 7 France 32,057 8 Belgium 31,971 9 Sweden 31,276 10 Canada 31,630 11 Finland 31,077 12 Japan 30,570 13 Netherlands 30,465 14 Denmark 30,429 15 United Kingdom 29,672 = European Union 27,957 16 Italy 27,320 17 New Zealand 25,871 |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by IrishDigger
(Post 12869464)
Presented in a fun way but contains good information,
https://au.yahoo.com/news/backpacker...095824888.html |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12869877)
Exactly. For Germany for example, groceries, eating out, drinking etc are cheap but fuel is expensive and other costs are high. Housing seems to be more affordable though. Australia, on the face of it, is an expensive country but disposable and discretionary income levels are very high. Swings and roundabouts basically
This is from the OECD for 2019 in USD for disposable income: 1 United States 46,903 2 Switzerland 38,469 3 Norway 37,729 4 Australia 36,156 5 Germany 35,935 6 Austria 34,491 7 France 32,057 8 Belgium 31,971 9 Sweden 31,276 10 Canada 31,630 11 Finland 31,077 12 Japan 30,570 13 Netherlands 30,465 14 Denmark 30,429 15 United Kingdom 29,672 = European Union 27,957 16 Italy 27,320 17 New Zealand 25,871 |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12870408)
Sorry, a bit off topic but I wouldn't even say that Germany is cheaper than Australia when it comes to housing and just depends how you compare. Most Germans I know can only afford apartments and rent, while here in Ireland (for example) most I know have larger houses and own. Equally, I can only imagine that Ireland is behind Germany because the Irish have so many kids.
Fair enough. I did say 'seems' as property looks affordable in relation to Australia and the UK (even in some big cities like Berlin) but I've never lived there so have no actual reference. Certainly, visiting Germany is a fairly affordable experience. Ireland is an interesting case. Since the washout from the GFC, Ireland has done well economically and is now 3rd in the HDI ranking (from nowhere 10 years ago) and their per capita GDP is certainly very high, yet their disposable income rank is fairly low against this context. I don't know why this is. It could be because COL is expensive but Norway's COL is off the scale and they are #1 in everything. As I'm really interested in this stuff, I will endeavour to find out. HDI is the best measure of a nation's overall performance, so Ireland must be doing something right |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12870712)
Fair enough. I did say 'seems' as property looks affordable in relation to Australia and the UK (even in some big cities like Berlin) but I've never lived there so have no actual reference. Certainly, visiting Germany is a fairly affordable experience. Ireland is an interesting case. Since the washout from the GFC, Ireland has done well economically and is now 3rd in the HDI ranking (from nowhere 10 years ago) and their per capita GDP is certainly very high, yet their disposable income rank is fairly low against this context. I don't know why this is. It could be because COL is expensive but Norway's COL is off the scale and they are #1 in everything. As I'm really interested in this stuff, I will endeavour to find out. HDI is the best measure of a nation's overall performance, so Ireland must be doing something right
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Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by carcajou
(Post 12869585)
I thought it was funny, thank you for posting.
My wife (a continental Western European) thinks the same. Wages beyond anything she could make in Europe, and her family has immense difficulty conceiving of a place where a 50 km one-way drive to the supermarket is considered a quick run . . . and yes in the first town we lived in here, we had mornings where we had to scrape ice off the windshield. Though I don't actually find the prices higher than Western Europe. after relocating, will be considerable. That together with a generally better health system has been probably the deciding factor in Germans/Swiss and French we know returning. |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12870408)
Sorry, a bit off topic but I wouldn't even say that Germany is cheaper than Australia when it comes to housing and just depends how you compare. Most Germans I know can only afford apartments and rent, while here in Ireland (for example) most I know have larger houses and own. Equally, I can only imagine that Ireland is behind Germany because the Irish have so many kids.
German houses are built to a high standard as well. I have lived in Ireland (a new build in Co Galway)and found the places not at all built for the climate. Same goes for Australia. The real estate bubble, a result of the 'Celtic Boom' years, encouraged far to much investment into housing, which collapsed, but too few lessons apparently learnt. Ireland is behind Germany, simply because they are a less advanced economic country. |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by Amazulu
(Post 12869877)
Exactly. For Germany for example, groceries, eating out, drinking etc are cheap but fuel is expensive and other costs are high. Housing seems to be more affordable though. Australia, on the face of it, is an expensive country but disposable and discretionary income levels are very high. Swings and roundabouts basically
This is from the OECD for 2019 in USD for disposable income: 1 United States 46,903 2 Switzerland 38,469 3 Norway 37,729 4 Australia 36,156 5 Germany 35,935 6 Austria 34,491 7 France 32,057 8 Belgium 31,971 9 Sweden 31,276 10 Canada 31,630 11 Finland 31,077 12 Japan 30,570 13 Netherlands 30,465 14 Denmark 30,429 15 United Kingdom 29,672 = European Union 27,957 16 Italy 27,320 17 New Zealand 25,871 Renting in Germany comes with protections, unimaginable in Australia. It can be near impossible to remove a tenant unless claiming the residence oneself as a place to live. That will usually be confirmed. While Germany is cheaper for grocery shopping, prices are on the up. Folk there complain as elsewhere about rising prices and falling standards. Those standards are coming from a rather high level though. |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by paulry
(Post 12869916)
I see she's living at Airlie Beach. Hopefully not in the backpacker area which when I was last there looked like a tip. The adjacent town/entertainment area is not much better. A beautiful part of the country, though.
I suppose this being 'connected times' Back packers may stay awake looking into screens all night, but probably not. |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by the troubadour
(Post 12871240)
German house prices have risen considerably in recent times. It depends where exactly in Germany. There are countless houses in villages, still to be found at decent rental prices. Many of those 'villages' would be classified as almost suburbs, in the Australian context.
German houses are built to a high standard as well. I have lived in Ireland (a new build in Co Galway)and found the places not at all built for the climate. Same goes for Australia. The real estate bubble, a result of the 'Celtic Boom' years, encouraged far to much investment into housing, which collapsed, but too few lessons apparently learnt. Ireland is behind Germany, simply because they are a less advanced economic country. |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by the troubadour
(Post 12871244)
What is high in Australia is personal debt. I would say Germans are far more disciplined in economic matters. Their house prices are cheaper, as well as a better product, but many prefer renting not because they can't afford to purchase, just they don't see the need.
Renting in Germany comes with protections, unimaginable in Australia. It can be near impossible to remove a tenant unless claiming the residence oneself as a place to live. That will usually be confirmed. While Germany is cheaper for grocery shopping, prices are on the up. Folk there complain as elsewhere about rising prices and falling standards. Those standards are coming from a rather high level though. Kaum Geld, falsche Jobs und keinen Plan - wie eine Generation zur Miete verdammt wirdKaufen wollen viele - aber nur die wenigsten jungen Deutschen werde eine eigene Immobilie erwerben. IhneSo gaben 83 Prozent der Befragten an, dass sie nicht über genug Eigenkapital verfügen, berichtet die "FAZ". Zwei Drittel verdienen schlichtweg zu wenig, um eine Immobilie zu finanzieren. Und 44 Prozent haben keinen festen Job ohne Befristung - ein Immobilienkauf ist dann zu unsicher. |
Re: They Drink A Lot - Eight Things A Backpacker Wished She'd Known About Austra
Originally Posted by Moses2013
(Post 12871424)
https://www.stern.de/wirtschaft/immo...n-8340854.html
Kaum Geld, falsche Jobs und keinen Plan - wie eine Generation zur Miete verdammt wirdKaufen wollen viele - aber nur die wenigsten jungen Deutschen werde eine eigene Immobilie erwerben. IhneSo gaben 83 Prozent der Befragten an, dass sie nicht über genug Eigenkapital verfügen, berichtet die "FAZ". Zwei Drittel verdienen schlichtweg zu wenig, um eine Immobilie zu finanzieren. Und 44 Prozent haben keinen festen Job ohne Befristung - ein Immobilienkauf ist dann zu unsicher. |
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