Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Mar 16th 2004, 8:38 am
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by ABCDiamond
It does make you think, but which direction do the thoughts go ?
A: The people think that everything will now be OK, as they now have a Government that is NOT interested in helping to crack down on Terror.
or
B: Al Qaeda find that they now have the power to change governments in Independent countries, just by planting a few bombs.
It does make you think, but which direction do the thoughts go ?
A: The people think that everything will now be OK, as they now have a Government that is NOT interested in helping to crack down on Terror.
or
B: Al Qaeda find that they now have the power to change governments in Independent countries, just by planting a few bombs.
Cheney, Halliburton and rip offs are some things that come to my mind.
Mar 16th 2004, 8:56 am
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by ABCDiamond
It does make you think, but which direction do the thoughts go ?
A: The people think that everything will now be OK, as they now have a Government that is NOT interested in helping to crack down on Terror.
or
B: Al Qaeda find that they now have the power to change governments in Independent countries, just by planting a few bombs.
It does make you think, but which direction do the thoughts go ?
A: The people think that everything will now be OK, as they now have a Government that is NOT interested in helping to crack down on Terror.
or
B: Al Qaeda find that they now have the power to change governments in Independent countries, just by planting a few bombs.
I don't think the people of Spain voted in the socialists because they wanted a government that is not interested in helping to crack down on terror; they probably saw the link between the bombings and their conservative government supporting the war in Iraq. I'm not saying this is right or wrong, I'm just commenting on what seems to have happened (and I certainly don't know enough about Spanish politics to know whether the socialists would have won the election without this incident).
This makes it all the more worrying for Britain, Australia, USA and all others in the alliance - and I guess why Blair, Bush, Howard et al would have been secretly hoping that it was ETA responsible.
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Mar 16th 2004, 9:24 am
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Yes - time and time again we see politicians and the media focus on the specifics.
I remember watching some Q&A thing in the lead up to the Iraq war, and a mother asked Tony Blair "I teach my children that two wrongs do not make a right. Do you agree with this, and how do you explain to your children that two wrongs do make a right?"
Of course he coudn't answer this, so he rabbited on about WMD and other specifics....
I remember watching some Q&A thing in the lead up to the Iraq war, and a mother asked Tony Blair "I teach my children that two wrongs do not make a right. Do you agree with this, and how do you explain to your children that two wrongs do make a right?"
Of course he coudn't answer this, so he rabbited on about WMD and other specifics....
Originally posted by Florida_03
...but it is not terrorism to some...it is a fight or struggle to achieve a belief...
Terrorism is a tag of propaganda...you need to think about the underlying cause...but the answers may be unpalatable...
...but it is not terrorism to some...it is a fight or struggle to achieve a belief...
Terrorism is a tag of propaganda...you need to think about the underlying cause...but the answers may be unpalatable...
Mar 16th 2004, 7:04 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Terrorism....right or wrong?
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Mar 16th 2004, 8:05 pm
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Its so sad that there has to a discussion on this issue. But it is in all reality, a part of life now. I guess there is no one place any safer than any other any more. But as far as Spain. They shouldnt give in to it. If the terrorists know they can get what they want, it will only encourage them. The leaders of the UK, USA, AUS etc may or may not do everything just right. But their intentions are good . And we have to all stick together and keep fighting for the good of our future.
'that there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for.'
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'that there's some good in this world, and it's worth fighting for.'
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Mar 16th 2004, 9:01 pm
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No one is giving in or not fighting.
Security officials in Australia are worried about the implications for national security here. Bali was considered an attack on the west rather than Australia. The Madrid bombings directly threaten every participant in the war on Iraq. A war that hardly had universal support in the first place.
Sydney has been making preparations for an attack since the Olympics but has no direct experience of terror. When you consider Spain has experience of ETA then one has to question the readiness of Australian security and the vulnerability of the capital cities.
I have no idea what the answer is but a stable Iraq must be one of the priorities.
Security officials in Australia are worried about the implications for national security here. Bali was considered an attack on the west rather than Australia. The Madrid bombings directly threaten every participant in the war on Iraq. A war that hardly had universal support in the first place.
Sydney has been making preparations for an attack since the Olympics but has no direct experience of terror. When you consider Spain has experience of ETA then one has to question the readiness of Australian security and the vulnerability of the capital cities.
I have no idea what the answer is but a stable Iraq must be one of the priorities.
Mar 16th 2004, 9:25 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by slowmacro
big time wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!
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big time wrong!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Why's terrorism wrong?
And what about a "freedom fighter". Is this different to terrorism do you think?
Mar 16th 2004, 9:30 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by Phoenixuk2oz
How ya doin MG
Why's terrorism wrong?
And what about a "freedom fighter". Is this different to terrorism do you think?
How ya doin MG
Why's terrorism wrong?
And what about a "freedom fighter". Is this different to terrorism do you think?
There is no way for her to answer right or wrong in some eyes
Mar 16th 2004, 9:43 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by Jack Daws
Hey, she's 15 (I know nearly 16) but ...... you know
There is no way for her to answer right or wrong in some eyes
Hey, she's 15 (I know nearly 16) but ...... you know
There is no way for her to answer right or wrong in some eyes
Didn't realise MG a kid
No offence intended my friend
Mar 16th 2004, 9:46 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by Phoenixuk2oz
Apols JD
Didn't realise MG a kid
No offence intended my friend
Apols JD
Didn't realise MG a kid
No offence intended my friend
Sorry for the Ozzy-ism
Mar 17th 2004, 1:31 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by OzTennis
A drive through any town will turn up plenty of NON asylum seeker drug dealers and lookouts not to mention binge drinkers 'out of their skulls' (announced on the news today that there are 2.9 million Britons with serious alcohol problems and alcohol related disease costs the NHS £20 billion p.a.). But that's another issue I diverge! As an article I posted elsewhere said if we are not careful we canfocus on the ethnicity of the criminals rather than the criminality itself.
I tell you also what makes you think - terrorists plant bombs in Madrid and cause terrible loss of life, injury and fear in people; government blames a local separatist movement and the masses are outraged, millions take to the streets and then Islamic terrorists are implicated. Ah, its not ETA, it's because of our involvement in supporting the Iraq war the people think so they vote the government out, a new government comes to power and they announce today that the war and the subsequent presence was wrong and they have withdrawn Spanish troops. 5 people arrested so far for causing all of this (plus any others backing them up)! I'm simplifying it and it is a very complex issue but it makes you think doesn't it?
OzTennis
A drive through any town will turn up plenty of NON asylum seeker drug dealers and lookouts not to mention binge drinkers 'out of their skulls' (announced on the news today that there are 2.9 million Britons with serious alcohol problems and alcohol related disease costs the NHS £20 billion p.a.). But that's another issue I diverge! As an article I posted elsewhere said if we are not careful we canfocus on the ethnicity of the criminals rather than the criminality itself.
I tell you also what makes you think - terrorists plant bombs in Madrid and cause terrible loss of life, injury and fear in people; government blames a local separatist movement and the masses are outraged, millions take to the streets and then Islamic terrorists are implicated. Ah, its not ETA, it's because of our involvement in supporting the Iraq war the people think so they vote the government out, a new government comes to power and they announce today that the war and the subsequent presence was wrong and they have withdrawn Spanish troops. 5 people arrested so far for causing all of this (plus any others backing them up)! I'm simplifying it and it is a very complex issue but it makes you think doesn't it?
OzTennis
Sorry OzTennis you missed my point. I'm not interested in the terrorism angle (maybe I shouldn't have answered to this thread.)
I was only interested in protecting my family!
The reason I mentioned the ethnicity of the dealers is to highlite the growing race hate problem in the UK, which seems to be made worse by government policy (or liberal social enginerring). II think this growing problem will erupt soon and I wanted no part to it. I'm sorry if I'm in the wrong thread.
Keel
Mar 17th 2004, 1:49 pm
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Re: Terrorism & personal beliefs???
Originally posted by keel
Sorry OzTennis you missed my point. I'm not interested in the terrorism angle (maybe I shouldn't have answered to this thread.)
I was only interested in protecting my family!
The reason I mentioned the ethnicity of the dealers is to highlite the growing race hate problem in the UK, which seems to be made worse by government policy (or liberal social enginerring). II think this growing problem will erupt soon and I wanted no part to it. I'm sorry if I'm in the wrong thread.
Keel
Sorry OzTennis you missed my point. I'm not interested in the terrorism angle (maybe I shouldn't have answered to this thread.)
I was only interested in protecting my family!
The reason I mentioned the ethnicity of the dealers is to highlite the growing race hate problem in the UK, which seems to be made worse by government policy (or liberal social enginerring). II think this growing problem will erupt soon and I wanted no part to it. I'm sorry if I'm in the wrong thread.
Keel
Was it Ashington you left? You don't have to answer that if you don't want, I'm just curious as I visit the north east a bit - usually the leafy Newcastle suburb of Jesmond, at the County Ground, or David Lloyd's at Home Farm (for tennis), rather than the former mining villages though it must be said.
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Mar 17th 2004, 7:29 pm
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hey ppl... i think that terrorism is wrong (in the sense of iraq and september the 11th) because. of all the innocent people that are killed....
some people stay clear of such things but cant avoid being killed in a terrorist attack....
surely there are other ways to deal with problems than terrorising a country, place or person.
did the people on the high jacked plane from september the 11th really deserve to die... i dont think so.....
i dont know what freedom fighters are!!!!!!!!
but hey i may be all wrong with my view. i am proberly getting all confused and mixed up... after all i am only a "kid"
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some people stay clear of such things but cant avoid being killed in a terrorist attack....
surely there are other ways to deal with problems than terrorising a country, place or person.
did the people on the high jacked plane from september the 11th really deserve to die... i dont think so.....
i dont know what freedom fighters are!!!!!!!!
but hey i may be all wrong with my view. i am proberly getting all confused and mixed up... after all i am only a "kid"
monkey girl
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Mar 17th 2004, 11:16 pm
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In my opinion a "Freedom Fighter" is someone who fights for the freedom of his country from an oppressive government or leadership. They do not normally hurt innocent people.
A "Terrorist" is someone who creates Terror, normally through the killing of innocent people.
They like to call themselves "Freedom Fighters", but only to justify it to others who they want on their side.
A "Terrorist" is someone who creates Terror, normally through the killing of innocent people.
They like to call themselves "Freedom Fighters", but only to justify it to others who they want on their side.
Mar 17th 2004, 11:38 pm
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Originally posted by ABCDiamond
In my opinion a "Freedom Fighter" is someone who fights for the freedom of his country from an oppressive government or leadership. They do not normally hurt innocent people.
A "Terrorist" is someone who creates Terror, normally through the killing of innocent people.
They like to call themselves "Freedom Fighters", but only to justify it to others who they want on their side.
In my opinion a "Freedom Fighter" is someone who fights for the freedom of his country from an oppressive government or leadership. They do not normally hurt innocent people.
A "Terrorist" is someone who creates Terror, normally through the killing of innocent people.
They like to call themselves "Freedom Fighters", but only to justify it to others who they want on their side.