Tax on HIFX forward contract
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From earlier posts I believe the following to be the case but would like to test with others with more experience of the Australian system.
I have forward bought $A with HIFX at 2.40. If when I become tax resident in Australia the exchange rate is $2.60 can I claim the loss as on offset against my assessable income for the current tax year?
Presumably this would only apply if the cash was transferred after becoming tax resident? If transferring before then no offset would be available?
Conversely if the Australia exchange rate is $2.20 on residency I would have to include the “profit” as assessable income?
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I have forward bought $A with HIFX at 2.40. If when I become tax resident in Australia the exchange rate is $2.60 can I claim the loss as on offset against my assessable income for the current tax year?
Presumably this would only apply if the cash was transferred after becoming tax resident? If transferring before then no offset would be available?
Conversely if the Australia exchange rate is $2.20 on residency I would have to include the “profit” as assessable income?
Regards
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Originally Posted by Nogo
From earlier posts I believe the following to be the case but would like to test with others with more experience of the Australian system.
I have forward bought $A with HIFX at 2.40. If when I become tax resident in Australia the exchange rate is $2.60 can I claim the loss as on offset against my assessable income for the current tax year?
Presumably this would only apply if the cash was transferred after becoming tax resident? If transferring before then no offset would be available?
Conversely if the Australia exchange rate is $2.20 on residency I would have to include the “profit� as assessable income?
Regards
I have forward bought $A with HIFX at 2.40. If when I become tax resident in Australia the exchange rate is $2.60 can I claim the loss as on offset against my assessable income for the current tax year?
Presumably this would only apply if the cash was transferred after becoming tax resident? If transferring before then no offset would be available?
Conversely if the Australia exchange rate is $2.20 on residency I would have to include the “profit� as assessable income?
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Originally Posted by Don
Probably fixed contract back in March
An interesting point though is that with a forward contract I have only made a deposit against the value and not paid for it yet. So if the value date (when I actually buy the currency) occurred after residency my capital is still in GBP at the strike date. So I could make a taxable loss or gain depending on the exchange rate at the value date compared with that on the strike date?
Perhaps this is one for Alan Collett to comment on.
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Originally Posted by Nogo
Yes the contract was done earlier this year. So the fact that I bought A$ would mean that there would be no change in the value so no tax issue?
An interesting point though is that with a forward contract I have only made a deposit against the value and not paid for it yet. So if the value date (when I actually buy the currency) occurred after residency my capital is still in GBP at the strike date. So I could make a taxable loss or gain depending on the exchange rate at the value date compared with that on the strike date?
Perhaps this is one for Alan Collett to comment on.
An interesting point though is that with a forward contract I have only made a deposit against the value and not paid for it yet. So if the value date (when I actually buy the currency) occurred after residency my capital is still in GBP at the strike date. So I could make a taxable loss or gain depending on the exchange rate at the value date compared with that on the strike date?
Perhaps this is one for Alan Collett to comment on.
With regard to Australian taxation, you currently own AUD (or will do at contract completion). The fact that the AUD/ GBP exchange rate moves for or against you by the time you get to Australia will not IMHO create a gain or loss in AUD terms. So nothing to worry about there either.
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