Pollyana

Fed up with the cows and chickens and we don't have curtains. I also don't have a vote! If they were prepared to consider the idea instead of dismissing it out of hand, I might consider making myself eligible to vote on it......

ABCDiamond

The problem with some of these surveys etc, is the way the truth isn't allowed into the equation.

Actual figures for that survey revealed:
84% Brisbane and the Gold Coast,
69% Sunshine Coast.
39% Businesses outside the southeast
23% central Queensland

The average end result at 52% was nothing like the 84% figure that has been published elsewhere.

They could have just as easily as picked the 23% figure, at the other end of the poll... but 84% sounded better for them
Selective quoting is often a good tool to convince people of the benefits of an argument, whether true or not.


There was also another one done in 2007 "A statewide independent poll, published in the Sunday Mail on 1 July, revealed that only 45 per cent statewide wanted DST introduced"

The only way to clear this is an annual referendum, with one simple question.

We would need it annually so that we can change our minds as often as we like

Pollyana

And just to further muddy the water I started this thread last September so the cows and chickens may have changed their minds since then.......

moneypenny20

What about the curtains? Are they definitely 100% against it?

windsordave

Understand but the point is that the '4SEQ' in the 'DS4SEQ' stands for South East Queensland. Nobody is trying to force Daylight Savings outside of SEQ. And the percentage of people in your survey in SEQ that wanted Daylight Savings was around 76% (is that right? Maths was never my strong point).

Don't know about you but I'd say that 76% is pretty close to a majority

windsordave

According to a recent survey, 88% of curtains didn't want Daylight Savings, but the remaining 12% wouldn't be drawn on the subject.

ABCDiamond

The problem is that when you add the number who don't want a split zone Queensland, to your 76%, you end up with a mathematical error

It seems like we need an annual referendum, with two questions now

• Do we want a split zone QLD
• Does SEQLD want daylight saving

And remember, any official vote, unlike the un-official polling, will exclude the opinion/vote of new residents who haven't yet become citizens.

ABCDiamond

I was just thinking, what is the main reason for wanting DLS.

Some people say that it is so we will be on the same time as the rest of the East coast ?

moneypenny20

That's the only real reason I can think of. Not bothered about light mornings or light evenings, life goes on as normal but for Brissie and the Sunny and Gold Coasts to be on the same time as Tweed/Sydney makes sense.

Swerv-o

I guess some people just prefer having the useful bit of the day at the end, instead of the morning. I know I do. A morning person I am not...


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windsordave

Amen to that!

Come on - surely you haven't all forgotten those blissful long summer evenings back home? Footie on the park at 7pm at night ... jumpers for goalposts ...eh?

Pollyana

Hmm, not sure, I'll ask them when I get back to Brisbane in the morning

moneypenny20

Smile, it could be worse, it's getting chilly in the mornings

Pollyana

Deliciously cool and pouring with rain for my arrival.....almost felt like home for a few minutes!!!

DadAgain

Interesting - I find the summer quite useful because its the one time of the year that I can actually contact business people in Sydney when I get into the office! If the clocks changed that would no longer be the case... My own (unscientific, non-representative) sample suggests that Sydneysiders are a lazy bunch who dont rock up to the office until 9am. I *need* to be able to talk to people as soon as I get to work (around 7:45am) so summer isnt too bad - I only have to wait 15 minutes for the southerners to rock up. Winter is horrible 'cos despite our clocks being aligned with SYD, our *culture* isnt and we end up with at least a 1 hour difference in working days!


Also on the subject of curtains - *IF* I worried about curtains, I'd welcome DST 'cos it'd stop my curtains fading so much. (Ive explained this before but - here we go again) :

When curtains are open they are not exposed to light and dont fade so much.
I close my curtains at night after it gets dark.
I open them when I get up in the morning AFTER the sun rises
Therefore its fair to say they only get exposed to sun and fade based on the length of sunny mornings....

Since DST makes mornings shorter - it follows that curtains will fade less.

For the record I am against DST as I'd like my summer evenings to be dark as soon as possible to try and cool them down enough so that I might actually be able to do stuff outside instead of cowering inside in the air-con!