So this Haneef guy gets his visa back...
 

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Has he? Not heard anything. In theory as far as I know he's done nothing wrong. Innocent until proven guilty and all that. Lots of strange people (including some on here :D) have got visas.

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Im very strange and I havent got a proper visa (yet)

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There you go then :lol: Just a thought, but maybe if the visa people didn't follow legal guidelines when they took it away, maybe they have to give it back just so they can follow the letter of the law before taking it away again. Don't know. GC hospital seem to think he's a pretty good bloke and an excellent doctor and they need all they can get.

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IM A DOCTOR!

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....and you're confused about what??

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Sometime democracies work in strange ways.......

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They do indeed. President Bush....duly elected by...not the people :confused:

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as he should!

He was arrested on false and contrived information, charges were dropped and they didnt even take him to court - therefore he is innocent. The removal of the visa by the Federal Govt was hideously based on political expediancy and an eye to the coming election - they are trying to be seen to be tough on terrorism - and what they did was illegal. The Govt then attempted to create the illusion that the Indian authorities had a "file" on him showing terrorist links - a claim quickly dispelled as laughable by those Indian authorities. If you saw that document, your 5 year old couldve knocked up a better forgery in 2 minutes.

Bottom line - he is innocent and has done nothing wrong and therefore there are absolutely no grounds to remove his visa

If the Govt hadnt tried to be politically clever then they wouldnt be in this mess. I've spent my whole life working with politicians in the UK and US and never have i seen such bad politicians as in Oz - they are dire and really have no sense of getting things right. Its hilariously amateurish.

The aussies have no idea about terrorists or terrorism, how to combat it or deal with it, and thats why they make these huge mistakes. They should spend some time with UK authorities to understand it - after all the UK has been dealing with it for over 30 years.

To me it was clear that this guy was innocent when the UK police immediately on his arrest stated that they were not seeking to extradite him and at the same time reduced the UK threat level indicating that they had caught all of the cell that planned the London and Glasgow car bombs.

All of those here (and i assume thats most) that have a visa might care to note that they are in EXACTLY the same position as Dr Haneff. Your visa can be cancelled at any time at the discretion of a Govt minister and the more they get any with cancelling for no, or spurious, reason the more insecure you are - in theory even a speeding ticket could categorise you as breaking the conditions of your visa. Until you are a citizen you are here at the whim of the Govt and they do have the power, should they wish, to cancel each and every visa tomorrow.

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[QUOTE=jce;5216961]as he should!

"Bottom line - he is innocent and has done nothing wrong and therefore there are absolutely no grounds to remove his visa."

Innocent? Maybe in the eyes of the law. Done nothing wrong? Now thats a hole different kettle of fish.


"The aussies have no idea about terrorists or terrorism, how to combat it or deal with it, and thats why they make these huge mistakes. They should spend some time with UK authorities to understand it - after all the UK has been dealing with it for over 30 years."

30 years? More like 150 years (or more). Are you suggesting they follow the UK's lead and blow his head off?

Keel

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[quote=keel;5217859]Thats right, follow something thats doesnt seem to have fixed the problem.

The judge said that if Andrews kicked him out because of a different reason then it would be legal but not on the grounds he said. FFS kick him out, cut the political correctness bullshit.

Too many doo gooders in this world.

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The Judge said that the Attorney-General used the wrong test in cancelling the visa - and this after taking legal advice? The Judge said that it should have been cancelled on the ground that Dr Haneef was a person of interest to UK authorities and that he had been charged with an offence. He added that the minister may not be able make a decision on those grounds now. The Judge never said that the AG had a case on the "person of interest" ground just that that is one the one he should have used rather than the "character" ground

He was never a "person of interest" as the UK Police said before that officer came out that they werent looking to extradict him - so even on that test the visa could not be cancelled, and the charge was based on false information - the SIM card was found with another cousin in Liverpool who has never been charged either, not in the car at Glasgow Airport. Wrong person in the wrong city which are hardle close together.

"Innocent? Maybe in the eyes of the law. Done nothing wrong? Now thats a hole different kettle of fish."

what did he do wrong? He gave a SIM card with money left on it to a relative when he left the UK - I did the same - how many others have given things to relatives when they emigrated? And he borrowed money from the family to help pay for his studies here - again whats wrong with that? He is Indian and they have a culture of close family ties that includes using collective money to help family individuals succeed so that they can contribute money to help other family members. Have you never borrowed money from a relative. And is there noone in your family past that has committed a crime? Does that mean that he is responsible for their actions?

The court system and the rule of law is there for a reason and in this case he is an innocent man. Just because the Government and the press relied on the collective fear and judegmentalism against non whites doesnt mean that he did anything wrong. You have fallen for the propoganda and this type of reporting and government actions are very similar to those employed in Germany in 1933 to 1939.

I am stunned at the bigoted responses and certainly hope that neither of the previous posters have to deal with a state thats as bigoted as they are which results in them being wrongly accused - so if your grown up child commits a crime are you willing to go to jail for it, or be sent back to where you came from?

As for the comment about terrorism. You clearly have had no real experience or involvement in the fight against modern terrorist activities. I was referring to the IRA but have no idea where your 150 years comes from? If its in reference to the UK being the subject for foreign interest then the period is closer to 2,500 years (at least) as the Romans had a go before leaving in 55BC, never mind the Vandals, Goths, Vikings, Gauls, Saxons, Normans etc etc

Besides terrorists always win as history has proven so your stance will do you no good - the american terrorists gained independence in 1777, the IRA are now in government, the ANC are now also in government, ETA have a gained a degree of autonomy for their region, the Tamal Tigers have the same - the list is endless. The victors write history to claim they are patriots or fighters for right and justice whereas the vanquished protray them as terrorists.

This latest spat hails from an illegal war based on lies much like the Haneef case, lies were used to justify an ill informed decision. Lies are always found out and whilst the spin will continue he will always be innocent whilst we live in perhaps the most racist country on earth.

The comment about kicking him out just makes him a martyr in others eyes and the creation of even more martyrs isnt something wise. That accentuates the cycle of misunderstanding and violence and results in more bloodshed and the loss of the life you live by the creation of a police state to combat those martyrs. You may seem others as do (spelling!) gooders but burying your head in the sand is worse

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[quote=Siren & Brian;5218468]Maybe it's a good thing that this prick can come back here. When they get enough evidence against him they can stick his Mussie ass in prison.

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What a load of bulls*it.

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And there rests the case for the prosecution.