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Old Aug 10th 2010, 12:55 am
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Originally Posted by JoeBloggs80
Anyone watch Gillard on Q+A last night?

I thought she came over really well. Still a bit overly media trained with the kung fu hands but much less rehersed than the 'debate' shambles and came across as pretty genuine. Clearly about 10 times more intelligent than Abbott, though I'll be interested to see him on it next week.
I couldn't bear to watch it, she talks in such a condescending manner. Like she is talking to a bunch of 5 year old. Mind you, most of the electorate she appeals to have that mental age.
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Old Aug 10th 2010, 2:26 am
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I couldn't bear to watch it, she talks in such a condescending manner. Like she is talking to a bunch of 5 year old. Mind you, most of the electorate she appeals to have that mental age.
As opposed to the high brow intellectualism of Mr Abbott?
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Old Aug 10th 2010, 2:31 am
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As opposed to the high brow intellectualism of Mr Abbott?
I wouldn't go that far!
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Old Aug 10th 2010, 10:36 pm
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So why have I got to pay for the federal government to fix the Sydney rail system because the NSW government can't be bothered?

I can see why most of the people who want to get rid of the states live in NSW
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So why have I got to pay for the federal government to fix the Sydney rail system because the NSW government can't be bothered?

I can see why most of the people who want to get rid of the states live in NSW

The NSW government is an absolute disgrace, and sadly a demonstration of what internal factional politics can dispense.

Since the last election, we have had three different premiers, all of which have been toppled/installed by the various labour party factions and 'powerbrokers'. It's seeing this willy nilly deposing of leaders that makes me wonder about the stability of a future federal labour government, given a similar structure of union powerbrokers and factions.

I have been in Sydney for the entire term of the current labour government, and I can't think of much that they really have to coo about. It has been a term of nothing but instability and failure.

And yes, we'll happily take your money for our rail system


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Old Aug 10th 2010, 11:24 pm
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Originally Posted by JoeBloggs80
As opposed to the high brow intellectualism of Mr Abbott?
He does have a lot between his ears ... but only because of the size of them.
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You won't as it won't get built like nearly every other transport announcement at election time
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So why have I got to pay for the federal government to fix the Sydney rail system because the NSW government can't be bothered?

I can see why most of the people who want to get rid of the states live in NSW
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Old Aug 11th 2010, 12:02 am
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Originally Posted by MartinLuther
So why have I got to pay for the federal government to fix the Sydney rail system because the NSW government can't be bothered?

I can see why most of the people who want to get rid of the states live in NSW
Yep

Which is also why stratigic transport programs should be taken out of state control.
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Originally Posted by ex_exile
Yep

Which is also why stratigic transport programs should be taken out of state control.
So NSW can get the benefit? Noooo!

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Originally Posted by Swerv-o
The NSW government is an absolute disgrace, and sadly a demonstration of what internal factional politics can dispense.

Since the last election, we have had three different premiers, all of which have been toppled/installed by the various labour party factions and 'powerbrokers'. It's seeing this willy nilly deposing of leaders that makes me wonder about the stability of a future federal labour government, given a similar structure of union powerbrokers and factions.

I have been in Sydney for the entire term of the current labour government, and I can't think of much that they really have to coo about. It has been a term of nothing but instability and failure.

And yes, we'll happily take your money for our rail system


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I think there is more leadership instability in the Liberal party at the moment.

If the Libs win Tony will be displaced by Joe who will be displaced by someone else or we'll have an early election. I don't think Joe will deliberately give Tony a hard time I just think he'll step into Tony's self-inflicted breach.

Can't see Wayne giving Julia a hard time if she wins but might start agitating in a subsequent term.

And Peter Garrett has no chance
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Originally Posted by ex_exile
Yep

Which is also why stratigic transport programs should be taken out of state control.

There are many things that should be taken out of state control...


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Old Aug 11th 2010, 1:46 am
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I think there is more leadership instability in the Liberal party at the moment.

If the Libs win Tony will be displaced by Joe who will be displaced by someone else or we'll have an early election.
Disagree. Abbott's quite stable in the leadership role as he has succeeded in doing what Turnbull and the other Lib leaders have failed to do i.e. give the Libs a rel chance of winning the election. Joe Hockey may be affable but he is no leader. He is too light weight (not literally!). I can't see him contesting the leadership at all. I actually think that he believes that he is not leadership material and that is why he didn't contest it last time.

Can't see Wayne giving Julia a hard time if she wins but might start agitating in a subsequent term.
If Julia wins/loses Swan will be there to stick the knife in. Guaranteed.
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Joe Hockey's main issue is he is stained with Workchoices. He is far more electable than anyone else there. Turnbull's issue is he was not brought up in the Federal political scene and was an outsider and politically immature.

If the Coalition loses the knife will go in his back as it will go in Julia's back in within the next two years.
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Disagree. Abbott's quite stable in the leadership role as he has succeeded in doing what Turnbull and the other Lib leaders have failed to do i.e. give the Libs a rel chance of winning the election. Joe Hockey may be affable but he is no leader. He is too light weight (not literally!). I can't see him contesting the leadership at all. I actually think that he believes that he is not leadership material and that is why he didn't contest it last time.



If Julia wins/loses Swan will be there to stick the knife in. Guaranteed.
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Old Aug 11th 2010, 1:56 am
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Originally Posted by IvanM
Joe Hockey's main issue is he is stained with Workchoices. He is far more electable than anyone else there. Turnbull's issue is he was not brought up in the Federal political scene and was an outsider and politically immature.

If the Coalition loses the knife will go in his back as it will go in Julia's back in within the next two years.
I don't know. I wouldn't vote for Hockey. To me he lacks gravitas.
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Originally Posted by Deancm_MKII
Disagree. Abbott's quite stable in the leadership role as he has succeeded in doing what Turnbull and the other Lib leaders have failed to do i.e. give the Libs a rel chance of winning the election. Joe Hockey may be affable but he is no leader. He is too light weight (not literally!). I can't see him contesting the leadership at all. I actually think that he believes that he is not leadership material and that is why he didn't contest it last time.



If Julia wins/loses Swan will be there to stick the knife in. Guaranteed.
I agree that Tony has done wonders for the party's election chances. I just remember him being a bit fast and loose the last time he was in government and I don't think things have changed. His campaign team have done a good job of keeping his normal m.o. under wraps.

I also think Joe is lightweight. Which is why I don't think he'll last long if he succeeds Tony. I was suggesting he won't challenge Tony directly but will step into the breach if Tony loses the confidence of the party (in the same way Major didn't challenged Thatcher).

Swan will want the job for sure. But I don't see him sticking the knife in this term (if Labor win).
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