Saw a pretty disturbing thing today
Dec 18th 2003, 2:01 pm
#46
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I totally agree with you that people most certainly do not have the right to inflict their issues onto others and make their life a misery. That is wrong and should never be acceptable, and yes, i have been pissed off and annoyed by people who behave badly, and i have also been guilty in the past of dismissing them as assholes and not worthy of help.
The reason my mind has changed, is having to deal with some of these broken lives in a rehab unit i worked at in Auckland. Whilst i agree that there are a percentage of people who just don't care, there are also very many who have had the most unthinkable lives!!
Rape victims, child abuse, neglect and so it goes on and on...what do we do???...just shut the door on them, bury them under the carpet and pretend they arent there??...afterall, thats basically all they have been used to most of their lives.... should we tell them to pull themselves together, and get the good old British stiff uper lip??..laughable i feel, after all this time!
The reason my mind has changed, is having to deal with some of these broken lives in a rehab unit i worked at in Auckland. Whilst i agree that there are a percentage of people who just don't care, there are also very many who have had the most unthinkable lives!!
Rape victims, child abuse, neglect and so it goes on and on...what do we do???...just shut the door on them, bury them under the carpet and pretend they arent there??...afterall, thats basically all they have been used to most of their lives.... should we tell them to pull themselves together, and get the good old British stiff uper lip??..laughable i feel, after all this time!
Dec 18th 2003, 2:02 pm
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Yeah but isnt it a waste of lives all very sad its such a shame
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Dec 18th 2003, 2:05 pm
#48
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Whilst i agree that there are a percentage of people who just don't care, there are also very many who have had the most unthinkable lives!!
Rape victims, child abuse, neglect and so it goes on and on...what do we do???...just shut the door on them, bury them under the carpet and pretend they arent there??...afterall, thats basically all they have been used to most of their lives.... should we tell them to pull themselves together, and get the good old British stiff uper lip??..laughable i feel, after all this time!
Rape victims, child abuse, neglect and so it goes on and on...what do we do???...just shut the door on them, bury them under the carpet and pretend they arent there??...afterall, thats basically all they have been used to most of their lives.... should we tell them to pull themselves together, and get the good old British stiff uper lip??..laughable i feel, after all this time!
Dec 18th 2003, 2:05 pm
#49
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Originally posted by Fuzzyness
no you dont have to like it i accept that. i would also point out who are you to tell them that what they are doing is wrong. do they tell you you are wrong for something you do. how would that make you feel. its their life let them get on with it. if it is such a problem to you why not try and help them to get of drugs rather than castigate them for something that doesnt fit in with your own morality.
no you dont have to like it i accept that. i would also point out who are you to tell them that what they are doing is wrong. do they tell you you are wrong for something you do. how would that make you feel. its their life let them get on with it. if it is such a problem to you why not try and help them to get of drugs rather than castigate them for something that doesnt fit in with your own morality.
Dec 18th 2003, 2:06 pm
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the law also says that you can only travel at a certain speed on a road. i bet you've never broken that one have you.
Dec 18th 2003, 2:06 pm
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Originally posted by podgypossum
I totally agree with you that people most certainly do not have the right to inflict their issues onto others and make their life a misery. That is wrong and should never be acceptable, and yes, i have been pissed off and annoyed by people who behave badly, and i have also been guilty in the past of dismissing them as assholes and not worthy of help.
The reason my mind has changed, is having to deal with some of these broken lives in a rehab unit i worked at in Auckland. Whilst i agree that there are a percentage of people who just don't care, there are also very many who have had the most unthinkable lives!!
Rape victims, child abuse, neglect and so it goes on and on...what do we do???...just shut the door on them, bury them under the carpet and pretend they arent there??...afterall, thats basically all they have been used to most of their lives.... should we tell them to pull themselves together, and get the good old British stiff uper lip??..laughable i feel, after all this time!
I totally agree with you that people most certainly do not have the right to inflict their issues onto others and make their life a misery. That is wrong and should never be acceptable, and yes, i have been pissed off and annoyed by people who behave badly, and i have also been guilty in the past of dismissing them as assholes and not worthy of help.
The reason my mind has changed, is having to deal with some of these broken lives in a rehab unit i worked at in Auckland. Whilst i agree that there are a percentage of people who just don't care, there are also very many who have had the most unthinkable lives!!
Rape victims, child abuse, neglect and so it goes on and on...what do we do???...just shut the door on them, bury them under the carpet and pretend they arent there??...afterall, thats basically all they have been used to most of their lives.... should we tell them to pull themselves together, and get the good old British stiff uper lip??..laughable i feel, after all this time!
Dec 18th 2003, 2:06 pm
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Originally posted by Fuzzyness
the law also says that you can only travel at a certain speed on a road. i bet you've never broken that one have you.
the law also says that you can only travel at a certain speed on a road. i bet you've never broken that one have you.
Dec 18th 2003, 2:08 pm
#53
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Originally posted by Modigliana
I believe in the law and obey it. You?
I believe in the law and obey it. You?
Dec 18th 2003, 2:10 pm
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Sorry fuzzeyness what else can my family do for the girls then??? They have got them out of debt , been stolen from , after years and years of trying to help them , putting them in clinics , moving areas , getting themselves my family into debt and then the parents ending up divorcing , im not sure what else we can do here to help them as you say !!!!! Love , money , listening , counciling have all been tried
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Dec 18th 2003, 2:10 pm
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Originally posted by Fuzzyness
i would also point out who are you to tell them that what they are doing is wrong. do they tell you you are wrong for something you do. how would that make you feel. its their life let them get on with it. .
i would also point out who are you to tell them that what they are doing is wrong. do they tell you you are wrong for something you do. how would that make you feel. its their life let them get on with it. .
It's just like people who smoke say: why do you care, I'm not causing any harm to anyone than myself.
Well:
1: I breathe in the smoke of other people too, which is unhealthy
2: Smokers have a greater risk of getting sick/long cancer: and who pays for the hospital treatment, us!
And I do understand that people can get into problems, and it's hard to get out (I'm sure if I started smoking or doing drugs, I'd be addicted in no time), but there are also others who just think that it's only themselves they are hurting.
Anyway, I can't say that much about it all, as I have nearly no experience with this kind of thing...luckily.
Dec 18th 2003, 2:11 pm
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Originally posted by jopaulss
Sorry fuzzeyness what else can my family do for the girls then??? They have got them out of debt , been stolen from , after years and years of trying to help them , putting them in clinics , moving areas , getting themselves my family into debt and then the parents ending up divorcing , im not sure what else we can do here to help them as you say !!!!! Love , money , listening , counciling have all been tried
Joanne
Sorry fuzzeyness what else can my family do for the girls then??? They have got them out of debt , been stolen from , after years and years of trying to help them , putting them in clinics , moving areas , getting themselves my family into debt and then the parents ending up divorcing , im not sure what else we can do here to help them as you say !!!!! Love , money , listening , counciling have all been tried
Joanne
Dec 18th 2003, 2:11 pm
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Jesus how can you compare a speeding fine with drug addiction cant follow this one!!!
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Dec 18th 2003, 2:12 pm
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Originally posted by Modigliana
The law says it is wrong.
The law says it is wrong.
Yes..you are totally right Modigliana.. it is illegal and in a perfect world they shouldnt be doing it.
What are your suggestions for dealing with it?
Dec 18th 2003, 2:12 pm
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Originally posted by Fuzzyness
you didnt answer my question. have you ever broken a speed limit?
you didnt answer my question. have you ever broken a speed limit?
If you think drug laws are wrong, then say so.
Dec 18th 2003, 2:14 pm
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Originally posted by podgypossum
Yes..you are totally right Modigliana.. it is illegal and in a perfect world they shouldnt be doing it.
What are your suggestions for dealing with it?
Yes..you are totally right Modigliana.. it is illegal and in a perfect world they shouldnt be doing it.
What are your suggestions for dealing with it?