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Old Apr 4th 2010, 2:36 am
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Default Rudd flips on 'Big Australia'

After KRudd has talked about wanting a 'Big Australia' through immigration he's now changed his mind.

As I've said before in other posts, Australia has to sort out it's water issues, transport and housing before it can go forward with bringing in more people.


THE federal government will consider slashing Australia's annual migration intake to help tackle concerns about traffic congestion, housing, hospitals, water and the environment.

Just months after declaring himself in favour of a ''big Australia'', Prime Minister Kevin Rudd yesterday warned of ''legitimate concerns'' with population growth and appointed Agriculture Minister Tony Burke as Australia's first Population Minister.
http://www.theage.com.au/national/ru...0403-rkvo.html
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Agree completely. Although it will dishearten many people who have dreams of migrating to Australia, our current housing and infrastructure crisis need tackling first and that's something which may involve cutting migration numbers.
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Originally Posted by Centurion View Post
Agree completely. Although it will dishearten many people who have dreams of migrating to Australia, our current housing and infrastructure crisis need tackling first and that's something which may involve cutting migration numbers.
needs to cutback for sure
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Some would argue that population issues are not so much about Australia but issue of four of our state capitals and surrounds..... There is seldom any mention of regional development....
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I think increasing the population is a good policy, it's just that it's growing at such a rate that the road networks, housing, services etc... can't keep up.

When we arrived we wanted to make sure we got to know a bunch of Aussies and not just stick with migrants (no offense intended), but there seems to be more migrants than aussies here!!!
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I reckon the 'flipside' might be more about getting Aussie voters back on side before the next election.
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It seems there is a spectrum: at one end are those who say there should be nil population growth because of limitations on space, ecological necessity, absence of water, etc - but are unwilling to address the consequences of an ageing population, and the economic impact of the introduction of skilled labour, business migrants, etc.

At the other end are those who say we should allow anyone who has something to contribute to Australia plus a (seemingly) unlimited humanitarian intake into the country - and the ecology and infrastructure can be managed.

Personally, I have little faith in our politicians to manage anything over the medium to long term in a reasonably competent manner - but I also believe we need some liquidity in the labour market to keep all of us alert to changes and opportunities.

As others have said, the appointment of the Population Minister in the last few days smacks of politics rather than anything meaningful. Expect the announcement of a review of some kind ... with the outcome to be reported after the next election ... sayeth AC cynically ..

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http://news.smh.com.au/national/popu...0405-rm5r.html

Mr Burke also defended the timing of his plan, which will not be released until after the next election.

"I would be concerned if people were saying this is something we want to rush out the door," he told Sky News.


As I was saying ...

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Of interest two articles from Easter weekend, first Peter van Onselen conservative commentator indirectly accusing politicians and media of "over playing" issue of refugees and implicitly migrants, foreigners, population etc.

Who's afraid of 4500 boatpeople?

And, a media release from the National Farmers Federation, quite ironic while many (from urban Australia) proclaim Australia is full and too environmentally fragile migration shoul dbe stopped etc., the NFF see an opportunity for regional policy and development. This is what politicians and Australians should be focussing upon....

Regional Development and Population - Tax to trigger release valve for choking cities.
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The refugees waiting patiently for their turn are the ones most afraid.

The fact remains that the overwhelming majority of people who try to enter Australia illegally by boat are ultimately assessed to be legitimate refugees and are therefore included in Australia's annual refugee quota of 13,750.

The refugees, many of whom are women and children, who are waiting patiently for their turn are the ones most afraid, and now may have to wait another year. (They have no funds to buy passage, and beat the queue, as do the boat people)

The vast majority of the people arriving by boat are men, and have paid $10k+ to get here.
 
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no complaints about refugees entering any country. Just don't like the idea of 'people smugglers' making vast amounts of money out of other peoples misery.
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Smoke and mirrors. Neither party wants to reduce immigration, the economic benefits of high immigration are just too great for them. This is simply an appeasement measure.
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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond View Post
The refugees waiting patiently for their turn are the ones most afraid.

The fact remains that the overwhelming majority of people who try to enter Australia illegally by boat are ultimately assessed to be legitimate refugees and are therefore included in Australia's annual refugee quota of 13,750.

The refugees, many of whom are women and children, who are waiting patiently for their turn are the ones most afraid, and now may have to wait another year. (They have no funds to buy passage, and beat the queue, as do the boat people)

The vast majority of the people arriving by boat are men, and have paid $10k+ to get here.
There was a man on 6PR radio station who has been trying to get his half brothers and sister out to join him for at least two years.They are living in a camp in Africa and he was asked why not pay for them to arrive by boat he said he wants to do it the right way.Sue.
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http://www.crikey.com.au/2010/04/06/...st-rate-hikes/

Crikey.com.au article ...

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Originally Posted by ABCDiamond View Post
The refugees waiting patiently for their turn are the ones most afraid.

The fact remains that the overwhelming majority of people who try to enter Australia illegally by boat are ultimately assessed to be legitimate refugees and are therefore included in Australia's annual refugee quota of 13,750.

The refugees, many of whom are women and children, who are waiting patiently for their turn are the ones most afraid, and now may have to wait another year. (They have no funds to buy passage, and beat the queue, as do the boat people)

The vast majority of the people arriving by boat are men, and have paid $10k+ to get here.
l don't know why they risk their lives getting here by boat when it seems so easy for so many to get in by enrolling in these dodgy cooking and Hairdressing colleges or Permanent Residency factories as they call them. Much easier and safer to pay $10 or $20 grand to go to one of these colleges to get P/R rather then pay it to people smugglers to come illegally.
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