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NKSK Jun 22nd 2005 8:27 am

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by Grayling
You may be right but, from what I have seen, there does not seem to be any logical direct comparison.

ie jobs do not seem to valued the same in both countries it obviously depends on personal circumstances.

I was making a statement about what are often portrayed as the usual wages.

G


This is why it is critical to do your homework on salaries.

What can I realistically expect to earn when I arrive and after one year?

Calculators such as these then come into their own and are very useful (assuming their integrity).

I suppose I'm lucky in one sense (not in terms of amount of salary though...!) in that I know exactly what I will be earning Australia.

The calculator then helps to give you an idea of your relative comfort.

GrantP Jun 22nd 2005 8:45 am

Re: Real Cost-Of-Living
 

Originally Posted by fnord
This site seems to have the right idea as it uses PPP to compare:
http://www.yourcalculators.com.au/v1...D/compcost.htm

Cool! :D ...I've just used this, and I should have a higher standard of living once I move over and start my new job!! :D

GrantP Jun 22nd 2005 8:48 am

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by NKSK
This is why it is critical to do your homework on salaries.

What can I realistically expect to earn when I arrive and after one year?

Calculators such as these then come into their own and are very useful (assuming their integrity).

I suppose I'm lucky in one sense (not in terms of amount of salary though...!) in that I know exactly what I will be earning Australia.

The calculator then helps to give you an idea of your relative comfort.

...same here!! ...I have signed my employment contract and I know exactly how much I will be earning! It makes a hell of a difference to me!! :)

MartinLuther Jun 22nd 2005 8:50 am

Re: Real Cost-Of-Living
 

Originally Posted by GrantP
Cool! :D ...I've just used this, and I should have a higher standard of living once I move over and start my new job!! :D

Shh! Don't shout too loud...we're supposed to be on cr*p wages here. Next you'll be telling people the cost of living is lower. ;) :)

MrsDagboy Jun 22nd 2005 8:53 am

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by ABCDiamond
The replies to two polls on wages are:

View Poll Results: As a percentage, what is your Oz salary compared to UK? (rate of £1=AUS$2.5)
2 - 7.7% - less than 50%
0 - 0.0% - 50% - 69%
11 - 42.3% - 70% - 89%
8 - 30.8% - 90% - 109%
4 - 15.4% - 110% -130%
1 - 3.9% - more than 130%
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?p=2501617

So 93% of people earn 70% or more of their UK salary. That sounds fairly comparable to me? :confused:

fnord Jun 22nd 2005 9:22 am

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by Grayling
Encouraging :confused:

£40K is not unusual in the UK.

$72K is quite unusual in Australia.

G

I sometimes wonder about statistics. I mean, according to the latest survey from Mercer, Oz and NZ are cheap compared to the UK. According to my observations, and using the data above, they aren't.

OK, so lets try average wages after tax:
UK = £19500, OZ = $37500

When I use my 1.7 factor suggests I should earn $33150 in OZ for same Std of living. So doesn't this mean that, on average, you're better off in OZ?

Are these average wages also suspect? Maybe there is a large variation in wages in the UK compared to OZ.

OK, I've just done another quick calc, using a position that I have 2004 average wages for:
Unix sys administrator (< 3years exp)
£29K and $37K (after tax)
Applying 1.7 we have £40K earner needs $49K for same SOL. :( not so good eh?

Interestingly this also suggest this job is an average earning job in Oz and a significantly better than average paid job in the UK.

ABCDiamond Jun 22nd 2005 10:45 am

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by fnord
I sometimes wonder about statistics. I mean, <...>
Interestingly this also suggest this job is an average earning job in Oz and a significantly better than average paid job in the UK.

Try the supermarket jobs: Info from two sources:

Monday May 17, 2004
Employees in British supermarkets would have to work 94 hours a week to earn the national average wage, general union the GMB claimed today.
http://money.guardian.co.uk/pay/stor...218865,00.html


Dec 2004
Average Wage in Australia is about $50,000. A Shop assistant minimum hourly rate is $13.85.
http://www.eric.sa.gov.au/uploaded_f...20changes3.pdf

Therefore they would need to work only 70 hours per week in Australia, at basic rate without any overtime rates being applied.

I'm not sure how the UK figure was calculated, but using overtime rates here, a supermarket worker here would need to work 63 hours with overtime rates, to reach $49,900pa, or only 61 hours if they did alternate Sundays.

Those hours would change to 54 and 51 respectively if they were on casual hours, and allowed to work that many hours !

MartinLuther Jun 22nd 2005 11:16 am

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by Grayling
Encouraging :confused:

£40K is not unusual in the UK.

$72K is quite unusual in Australia.

G

As only 11% of UK tax payers are in the 40% bracket (2004 figures) and this bracket starts at about £36k; £40k is not that common.

fnord Jun 24th 2005 1:59 pm

Re: Q
 
OK, how about some new data, this time from http://www.salaryexpert.com/
Each city has local average earnings for database system administrator and local cost of living. Melbourne worse than Sydney though?

Code:

                Av. Wage        COL    `      Diff            Diff as % of COL
Tokyo          10,517,813.00  16,244,052.00  -5,726,239.00  -35.25%
Paris          € 55,703.00    € 62,796.00    -€ 7,093.00    -11.30%
Berlin          € 96,350.00    € 103,138.00    -€ 6,788.00    -6.58%
Melbourne      $112,668.00    $116,210.00    -£3,542.00      -3.05%
Sydney          $120,986.00    $124,278.00    -£3,292.00      -2.65%
London          £53,185.00      £52,600.00      £585.00        1.11%
Lima            S/. 102,492.00  S/. 99,246.00  S/. 3,246.00  3.27%
Perth          $110,563.00    $102,741.00      $7,822.00      7.61%
Dublin          € 72,880.00    € 67,093.00    € 5,787.00      8.63%
Adelaide        $107,935.00    $98,532.00      $9,403.00      9.54%
Auckland        $141,617.00    $127,806.00      $13,811.00    10.81%
Wellington      $141,892.00    $127,618.00      $14,274.00    11.18%
Hobart          $106,145.00    $94,850.00      $11,295.00    11.91%
Brisbane        $104,741.00    $93,329.00      $11,412.00    12.23%
Chistchurch    $139,550.00    $122,188.00      $17,362.00    14.21%
Singapore      $141,892.00    $122,000.00      $19,892.00    16.30%


worzel Jun 24th 2005 2:16 pm

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by fnord
OK, how about some new data, this time from http://www.salaryexpert.com/
Each city has local earnings and local cost of living. Melbourne worse than Sydney?

Code:

                Av. Wage        COL    `      Diff            Diff as % of COL
Tokyo          10,517,813.00  16,244,052.00  -5,726,239.00  -35.25%
Paris          € 55,703.00    € 62,796.00    -€ 7,093.00    -11.30%
Berlin          € 96,350.00    € 103,138.00    -€ 6,788.00    -6.58%
Melbourne      $112,668.00    $116,210.00    -£3,542.00      -3.05%
Sydney          $120,986.00    $124,278.00    -£3,292.00      -2.65%
London          £53,185.00      £52,600.00      £585.00        1.11%
Lima            S/. 102,492.00  S/. 99,246.00  S/. 3,246.00  3.27%
Perth          $110,563.00    $102,741.00      $7,822.00      7.61%
Dublin          € 72,880.00    € 67,093.00    € 5,787.00      8.63%
Adelaide        $107,935.00    $98,532.00      $9,403.00      9.54%
Auckland        $141,617.00    $127,806.00      $13,811.00    10.81%
Wellington      $141,892.00    $127,618.00      $14,274.00    11.18%
Hobart          $106,145.00    $94,850.00      $11,295.00    11.91%
Brisbane        $104,741.00    $93,329.00      $11,412.00    12.23%
Chistchurch    $139,550.00    $122,188.00      $17,362.00    14.21%
Singapore      $141,892.00    $122,000.00      $19,892.00    16.30%


Does that mean Singapore and Christchurch are that dull there is nothing to spend your money on :D

NKSK Jun 24th 2005 2:17 pm

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by fnord
OK, how about some new data, this time from http://www.salaryexpert.com/
Each city has local earnings and local cost of living. Melbourne worse than Sydney?

Code:

                Av. Wage        COL    `      Diff            Diff as % of COL
Tokyo          10,517,813.00  16,244,052.00  -5,726,239.00  -35.25%
Paris          € 55,703.00    € 62,796.00    -€ 7,093.00    -11.30%
Berlin          € 96,350.00    € 103,138.00    -€ 6,788.00    -6.58%
Melbourne      $112,668.00    $116,210.00    -£3,542.00      -3.05%
Sydney          $120,986.00    $124,278.00    -£3,292.00      -2.65%
London          £53,185.00      £52,600.00      £585.00        1.11%
Lima            S/. 102,492.00  S/. 99,246.00  S/. 3,246.00  3.27%
Perth          $110,563.00    $102,741.00      $7,822.00      7.61%
Dublin          € 72,880.00    € 67,093.00    € 5,787.00      8.63%
Adelaide        $107,935.00    $98,532.00      $9,403.00      9.54%
Auckland        $141,617.00    $127,806.00      $13,811.00    10.81%
Wellington      $141,892.00    $127,618.00      $14,274.00    11.18%
Hobart          $106,145.00    $94,850.00      $11,295.00    11.91%
Brisbane        $104,741.00    $93,329.00      $11,412.00    12.23%
Chistchurch    $139,550.00    $122,188.00      $17,362.00    14.21%
Singapore      $141,892.00    $122,000.00      $19,892.00    16.30%


You just knew you'd get feedback on this didn't you?! :D

I'm amazed that the average salaries are so high - flies in the face of just about all other data that I've read.

Perth average salary $110 000??

I just check on a couple of salaries - apparently the average salary for a nurse is $76000 in Perth.
Seems contrary to what people have posted on here!

Do you think the salaries are real?

fnord Jun 24th 2005 2:23 pm

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by NKSK
You just knew you'd get feedback on this didn't you?! :D

I'm amazed that the average salaries are so high - flies in the face of just about all other data that I've read.

Perth average salary $110 000??

I just check on a couple of salaries - apparently the average salary for a nurse is $76000 in Perth.
Seems contrary to what people have posted on here!

Do you think the salaries are real?

Actually, given this has come from the Internet, there's a 95.6% chance these statistics are made up ;)

I did notice there was quite a range for these salaries. Perth DB admin salary, for example was $38,188 to $73,235.

worzel Jun 24th 2005 2:34 pm

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by fnord
Actually, given this has come from the Internet, there's a 95.6% chance these statistics are made up ;)

I did notice there was quite a range for these salaries. Perth DB admin salary, for example was $38,188 to $73,235.

Looks promising. If nurses and DB admin are paid well below that Perth average then maybe accountants rake it in to keep that average up :D

NKSK Jun 24th 2005 3:10 pm

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by fnord
Actually, given this has come from the Internet, there's a 95.6% chance these statistics are made up ;)

I did notice there was quite a range for these salaries. Perth DB admin salary, for example was $38,188 to $73,235.


I don't think it's accurate - at least I'm hoping not. I'll be claiming poverty benefits if it is correct.

e.g. I just looked at two jobs - pilot and corporate lawyer both working in London.

Average salary for a pilot in London - £32000.

Average for corporate lawyer - £44000

Both of these seem exceptionally low.

worzel Jun 24th 2005 3:26 pm

Re: Q
 

Originally Posted by NKSK
I don't think it's accurate - at least I'm hoping not. I'll be claiming poverty benefits if it is correct.

e.g. I just looked at two jobs - pilot and corporate lawyer both working in London.

Average salary for a pilot in London - £32000.

Average for corporate lawyer - £44000

Both of these seem exceptionally low.

I found it odd the other direction. Finance/accounting jobs in Birmingham look typical but those in Perth look over-stated. I hope its true, in which case I will be quids in, but it doesn't stack up with any jobs websites.


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