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quoll May 10th 2013 5:33 pm

Re: QUITTING TEACHING - Where do I start?
 
I didn't realise you weren't permanent, but if you can hang on to get permanency set in place, I'm assuming that will give you permanency across Qld Gov services so that opens up quite a large vista for you - you stand a better chance of getting another public service job than if you apply as a non public servant. Well done on the permanency anyway!

The Woodcutter May 10th 2013 8:15 pm

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Originally Posted by quoll (Post 10703124)
I didn't realise you weren't permanent, but if you can hang on to get permanency set in place, I'm assuming that will give you permanency across Qld Gov services so that opens up quite a large vista for you - you stand a better chance of getting another public service job than if you apply as a non public servant. Well done on the permanency anyway!

Not necessarily. I accept that things are slightly different now with Newman's austerity drive, but if we take that out of the equation the public sector actually prefers to recruit from the private sector.
Uxworthy identified this in his excellent analysis which he termed new managerialism.

Pollyana May 10th 2013 9:16 pm

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Originally Posted by The Woodcutter (Post 10703221)
Not necessarily. I accept that things are slightly different now with Newman's austerity drive, but if we take that out of the equation the public sector actually prefers to recruit from the private sector.
Uxworthy identified this in his excellent analysis which he termed new managerialism.

Getting a public service job at the moment is like finding a gold nugget in Queensland, as I'm sure you know:) I'd actually go with Quoll, and say getting a job from the inside is easier [ certainly with us (Community Safety) the vast majority of jobs up to AO8 level are advertised as internal (Qld Govt) applicants only.

The Woodcutter May 11th 2013 1:38 pm

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Originally Posted by Pollyana (Post 10703276)
Getting a public service job at the moment is like finding a gold nugget in Queensland, as I'm sure you know:) I'd actually go with Quoll, and say getting a job from the inside is easier [ certainly with us (Community Safety) the vast majority of jobs up to AO8 level are advertised as internal (Qld Govt) applicants only.

I agree with you Pollyanna - that now because of Newman's culling of the public sector administration jobs are ring fenced for internal applicants only. The point I made was that prior to Newman's actions the public sector encouraged applications from the private sector.
My area just finished a recruitment drive on the 15th April for front line staff and applications were open to anyone.

Pollyana May 11th 2013 10:31 pm

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Originally Posted by The Woodcutter (Post 10704042)
I agree with you Pollyanna - that now because of Newman's culling of the public sector administration jobs are ring fenced for internal applicants only. The point I made was that prior to Newman's actions the public sector encouraged applications from the private sector.
My area just finished a recruitment drive on the 15th April for front line staff and applications were open to anyone.

Good to hear - maybe its the first sign of recovery, opening some jobs wider at last :)

paddyo May 12th 2013 11:30 am

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Recruiting internally only is a big problem. While it appeases those internally who wish, and deserve, to progress, it also keeps stagnation of bad practise and discourages innovation and new ideas.
Its a bit reminiscent of the old Union controlled days when jobs were on a 'who you know' basis and nepotism was rife.

Swerv-o May 12th 2013 11:32 am

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Originally Posted by paddyo (Post 10705120)
Recruiting internally only is a big problem. While it appeases those internally who wish, and deserve, to progress, it also keeps stagnation of bad practise and discourages innovation and new ideas.
Its a bit reminiscent of the old Union controlled days when jobs were on a 'who you know' basis and nepotism was rife.


Erm... This is Australia - nepotism and 'who you know' is SOP here...


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paddyo May 12th 2013 11:37 am

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You're just bitter because you haven't got an uncle in State Government to get you a shoe in job :)

Swerv-o May 12th 2013 11:38 am

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Originally Posted by paddyo (Post 10705125)
You're just bitter because you haven't got an uncle in State Government to get you a shoe in job :)


Yup :)


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paddyo May 12th 2013 11:54 am

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I just wish it was Eddie O'Beid...that way I could of made use of the Irish connection! :)

Jen1977ni Dec 14th 2013 1:20 am

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Looks like I've finally gone and done it! I'll keep you posted on my next move once my dates are official!!! :thumbsup:

isgraham Dec 15th 2013 5:29 pm

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If you really don't know what you can do then I'd suggest going for a business analyst role. You don't need to know anything or even get anything right to be good at it all you need to do is stick close to the technical lead of a project and do the documentation I.e. be a secretary. On the other hand you could be a project manager, better pay more exposed equally useless.

GarryP Dec 15th 2013 6:06 pm

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Originally Posted by Jen1977ni (Post 11036405)
Looks like I've finally gone and done it! I'll keep you posted on my next move once my dates are official!!! :thumbsup:

Don't forget you can do a bit of private tuition to tide you over as you go for whatever is your new focus.

As far as the corporate training game is concerned, it's fairly easy to come up with an offering and change hundreds and a thousand per person per course. If you wanted to address the lack of recognisable customer service in Australian business planning I've even got a great name for your offering - "KISS the Customer" :D

Jen1977ni Dec 20th 2013 5:44 am

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Alls good, I'll enjoy the downtime in the interim until my official start date.

paulry Dec 21st 2013 2:29 pm

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Originally Posted by isgraham (Post 11038864)
If you really don't know what you can do then I'd suggest going for a business analyst role. You don't need to know anything or even get anything right to be good at it all you need to do is stick close to the technical lead of a project and do the documentation I.e. be a secretary. On the other hand you could be a project manager, better pay more exposed equally useless.

Dependent on the environment you're working in, BA work can be interesting, very rewarding and lots of fun. :thumbup:

I'd rather die than become a PM. The money is pretty good though :unsure:


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