Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
#271
Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
Nope, he doesn't.
He specifically said he wasn't going to go around cutting front line services. First thing he does is go around cutting front line services. No excuses, no plausible deniability - he flat out did the opposite of what he was put in to do.
A mandate only covers what you said you were going to do, and even then its questionable if voters can't pick and choose policies.
Mandate becomes one of those weasel-words that political liars use to avoid the fact that they are supposed to be carrying out the will of the people, not going 'off piste'. When it's as blatant as this I think its obvious that the individual credibility in that post and needs to be jailed immediately.
If he syphoned off $10m from the state treasury into his personal coffers, you'd have no problem with jailing him immediately - yet under your reading of his responsibilities he should be able to do what he likes because he was the least worst option picked by the voters.
I think when a politician fails in such a fraudulent way as this, he NEEDS to go directly to jail.
He specifically said he wasn't going to go around cutting front line services. First thing he does is go around cutting front line services. No excuses, no plausible deniability - he flat out did the opposite of what he was put in to do.
A mandate only covers what you said you were going to do, and even then its questionable if voters can't pick and choose policies.
Mandate becomes one of those weasel-words that political liars use to avoid the fact that they are supposed to be carrying out the will of the people, not going 'off piste'. When it's as blatant as this I think its obvious that the individual credibility in that post and needs to be jailed immediately.
If he syphoned off $10m from the state treasury into his personal coffers, you'd have no problem with jailing him immediately - yet under your reading of his responsibilities he should be able to do what he likes because he was the least worst option picked by the voters.
I think when a politician fails in such a fraudulent way as this, he NEEDS to go directly to jail.
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Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
Indeed I don't recall his campaign stating any cuts. But to give any political party such a mandate is bad for democracy.
It was of course a rather cynical move by the QLD govt in striking so early in their term. They knew darn well there would be a big backlash...and wanted plenty of time for the electorate to forget. Not forgetting they have the numbers to be able to afford a bit of a cull....
It was of course a rather cynical move by the QLD govt in striking so early in their term. They knew darn well there would be a big backlash...and wanted plenty of time for the electorate to forget. Not forgetting they have the numbers to be able to afford a bit of a cull....
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Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
"It was never my intention to cut services as deeply as I have had to - but information that came to light AFTER I was elected indicated the problem was far more severe than was first thought. Given the new information revealed by the extensive audit performed by respected former treasurer P.Costello was so serious we had no option but to take on a more serious course of corrective action."
Of course the fact that the P.Costello report was a pile of discredited tosh doesn't enter into it -the point is we WANT our politicians to be able to respond to changing circumstances and do the right thing.
A representative democracy does not mean the people get to decide everything. It means the people get to chose someone who they think has the best judgement and THEN trust that person to act according to that best judgement.
So I dont think Newman should go to jail - that's a ridiculous idea. I think he's a fool and an evil destructive little despot, but blame should fall entirely on the shoulders of the people of Qld (and Ashgrove in particular) who proved to be such poor judges of character.
#274
Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
Nope, he doesn't.
He specifically said he wasn't going to go around cutting front line services. First thing he does is go around cutting front line services. No excuses, no plausible deniability - he flat out did the opposite of what he was put in to do.
A mandate only covers what you said you were going to do, and even then its questionable if voters can't pick and choose policies.
Mandate becomes one of those weasel-words that political liars use to avoid the fact that they are supposed to be carrying out the will of the people, not going 'off piste'. When it's as blatant as this I think its obvious that the individual credibility in that post and needs to be jailed immediately.
If he syphoned off $10m from the state treasury into his personal coffers, you'd have no problem with jailing him immediately - yet under your reading of his responsibilities he should be able to do what he likes because he was the least worst option picked by the voters.
I think when a politician fails in such a fraudulent way as this, he NEEDS to go directly to jail.
He specifically said he wasn't going to go around cutting front line services. First thing he does is go around cutting front line services. No excuses, no plausible deniability - he flat out did the opposite of what he was put in to do.
A mandate only covers what you said you were going to do, and even then its questionable if voters can't pick and choose policies.
Mandate becomes one of those weasel-words that political liars use to avoid the fact that they are supposed to be carrying out the will of the people, not going 'off piste'. When it's as blatant as this I think its obvious that the individual credibility in that post and needs to be jailed immediately.
If he syphoned off $10m from the state treasury into his personal coffers, you'd have no problem with jailing him immediately - yet under your reading of his responsibilities he should be able to do what he likes because he was the least worst option picked by the voters.
I think when a politician fails in such a fraudulent way as this, he NEEDS to go directly to jail.
If you feel that he has lied to you then talk to your MP to see if you can get him impeached (or whatever the process is called). If you get no joy, then start a movement to get him out. If you think that he has commited fraud, speak to the police. Fraud is a criminal offence and they will need to get involved.
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Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
So I dont think Newman should go to jail - that's a ridiculous idea. I think he's a fool and an evil destructive little despot, but blame should fall entirely on the shoulders of the people of Qld (and Ashgrove in particular) who proved to be such poor judges of character.
All to be decided in 2016. In the meantime, onwards and upwards.
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Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
People lose their jobs all the time, you've just got to move on. Plenty of people in mining in WA and Qld have been given the shove over the last 6 weeks too. I've been fired plenty of times in the past and I'm sure I will again in the future.
Nobody has a right to a job. Just build a bridge and get over it.
Nobody has a right to a job. Just build a bridge and get over it.
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#278
Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
People lose their jobs all the time, you've just got to move on. Plenty of people in mining in WA and Qld have been given the shove over the last 6 weeks too. I've been fired plenty of times in the past and I'm sure I will again in the future.
Nobody has a right to a job. Just build a bridge and get over it.
Nobody has a right to a job. Just build a bridge and get over it.
My concern is the 57% cuts to Rural ops directly affect my ability to protect my community from bushfires. A job I do for free that requires training & support from competent sources. Just the added travel time for that support to arrive is life threatening. That's if there's anyone left to send.
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Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
Whilst I agree with your general sentiment.
My concern is the 57% cuts to Rural ops directly affect my ability to protect my community from bushfires. A job I do for free that requires training & support from competent sources. Just the added travel time for that support to arrive is life threatening. That's if there's anyone left to send.
My concern is the 57% cuts to Rural ops directly affect my ability to protect my community from bushfires. A job I do for free that requires training & support from competent sources. Just the added travel time for that support to arrive is life threatening. That's if there's anyone left to send.
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Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
Evidentially, that's not true, at least as far as the wealthy are concerned, and not when those tax cuts are created from spending cuts - which creates recessions.
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17...boost-economy/
http://miami.cbslocal.com/2012/09/17...boost-economy/
Too right. Now is when it should be investing.
Actually, state debt is generally speaking never repaid (as I showed, states and households run on different rules). What it needs is for the debt to be managed.
The different rules mean different responsibilities. Countries that appear to be irresponsible pay higher interest rates leaving less in the budget.
The main discussion really needs to be on making those who currently don't pay their fair share to pay up...
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Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
I live very near a bush fire prone area and the house could come under an ember attack in a bush fire. Maybe extra land taxes to pay for people who like the bush are needed to afford to protect that housing.
Whilst I agree with your general sentiment.
My concern is the 57% cuts to Rural ops directly affect my ability to protect my community from bushfires. A job I do for free that requires training & support from competent sources. Just the added travel time for that support to arrive is life threatening. That's if there's anyone left to send.
My concern is the 57% cuts to Rural ops directly affect my ability to protect my community from bushfires. A job I do for free that requires training & support from competent sources. Just the added travel time for that support to arrive is life threatening. That's if there's anyone left to send.
#282
Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
No win situation then, those of us that can't afford to live in overpriced city locations & have to live in bum**** nowhere will have to live in cardboard boxes, we all know how easy they burn.
#284
Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
At least Newman isn't just cutting vital services.
Funding for fundamentalist christian chaplains from Scripture Union/Access Ministries to "go and make disciples" through a "God-given open door to children and young people" in Queensland Government State Schools has been increased.
(Quotes from: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...516-1ep92.html)
Well that's ok then.
Funding for fundamentalist christian chaplains from Scripture Union/Access Ministries to "go and make disciples" through a "God-given open door to children and young people" in Queensland Government State Schools has been increased.
(Quotes from: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...516-1ep92.html)
Well that's ok then.
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Re: Queensland public servants declare war on Newman
At least Newman isn't just cutting vital services.
Funding for fundamentalist christian chaplains from Scripture Union/Access Ministries to "go and make disciples" through a "God-given open door to children and young people" in Queensland Government State Schools has been increased.
(Quotes from: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...516-1ep92.html)
Well that's ok then.
Funding for fundamentalist christian chaplains from Scripture Union/Access Ministries to "go and make disciples" through a "God-given open door to children and young people" in Queensland Government State Schools has been increased.
(Quotes from: http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/politi...516-1ep92.html)
Well that's ok then.
Besides that, as a fully paid-up Witch I object! Not that he'd listen, but I'll object all the same