iamthecreaturefromuranus

...and in the world of outsourcing the client never gets to meet the managers in charge of the technical teams. The only people they meet are the client facing service delivery people. As far as the client knows these people are the managers.
I am well aware that many clients don't want work offshored but the reality is that many of them don't even know just how much is offshore or onshore.... and when it comes down to it, the work can be done onshore, if people still exist to do it, but it will cost more and that's when they change their minds.

dhama

Hi
In USA client use to pay the consultants minimum $7000 per month where as if they off shore to India it may not even cost them $1500. So obviously client wants the cost cutting during this recession period. In India companies pay them just Rupees40000 which is equivalent to $750 and they get multiple platform specialist who is ready to work even 15 hours a day. May be Australia is same like USA. Also Americans in USA demand more dollars per hour and many of them have location constraint. So companies are eager to choose foreigners rather than Americans. I am not sure about the condition in OZ.Can some one shed the light on oz job constraints.


Thanks and Regards
Dhaka

fish.01

I agree with this. A lot of IT jobs are almost impossible to offshore successfully. IT is a broader profession then many give it credit for and often involves a lot of soft skills. Of course some specific jobs and whole projects can be. Our place has also reduced off shoring now and has a belief it does not work for them except in very specific circumstances.

Before the financial crisis it was constantly being reported that Brisbane and Australia had a structural shortage of IT professionals and this shortage is expected to return after things normalise.

BadgeIsBack

We have a model where we have a team in both. There is duplication of roles and people. They are on the case when we go home.

India - get all the easy-peasy work.
Melbourne - we get all the project, harder work. Make all the calls - set the direction.

We're relieved that we can give India the dregs, the downside is that this can be *****ed up too.

Some of the surnames are very long - and I've worked with a lot of Indians here in Melbourne. They accommodate us by giving themselves nicknames.

Zambia

Anytime we outsourced the programming the instructions had to be in such detail it was almost quicker to code the stuff ourselves.

Fliprds

For what it's worth, a quick look on seek.com.au shows a bunch of jobs (analyst prog on top of the IT list):

Sub-Classification (5576)
.NET (617)
SQL (457)
C# (385)
Application Deve... (380)
Java (371)
J2EE (219)

I'm fairly new the IT off shoring as they don't do it here much (eastern Canada), interesting thread!

Zambia

Seek can lie ...

Syedney

ok.. just read about every stereotypical subjects here...

So to help the OP I'd start by saying that I am on 457 sponsored visa working in IT (I was Microsoft Technical Consultant in UK) and working as a senior developer for core team in Sydney and can answer few of your questions:

1. Yes, if you have good education background alongside your Java experiences, the there are companies willing to sponsor IT people from UK. That's because, and not just my imo, IT in UK is about 1.5 years ahead of Oz.

2. Average IT wages here are around $55-60k mark. This is for a windows/web developer. Java would be a little closer to $70k.

I am quite impressed with how much you're getting paid considering you only have 5 years exp. But I know the Banking industry averages higher salary in UK and therefore these are jobs that are highly sought after and usually needs someone in the inside to give you the break to get you in or be a graduate of some sort.

In Au, I doubt it whether you will get anywhere closer to this 50kGBP in terms of salary.

In terms locations & regions, Sydney attracts the most IT jobs where the jobs are for Programmers/Project managers whereas Melbourne IT jobs tends to be for System Admins/Network types.

Melbourne is colder than Sydney, but I find Sydney offer the best of everything else that other cities in Au offer. For example:

1. Temps are between 16-25 deg Celsius for most parts (pleasant without being too intolerant)

2. IT jobs are always in demand in Sydney. Even through recessions! There are so many large organisations based here in Sydney, as well as many Au companies in Sydney utilise IT technologies a lot more here.

3.If you come here, be prepared to start from a lower position. I have found that most expats had to start froma junior position than in UK, even though they had real experiences and are extremely good. I work here as a senior developer and was told that I couldn't take any decisions about architecture, without consulting their architect . However, I still put in my tow pence worth because those who do make those decisions here are in my view, still too green to understand the concepts etc...


My question to you is:

Don't even consider the move unless you're 110%...Once you make that decision, reversing it can be difficult and harder

fish.01

Those average wages look right for an inexperienced windows developer. Not the average of all windows developers (web developers get less).

Average programmer would be 60+ in Sydney with more experienced Analyst/Programmers on 85,000 plus 9% super. Senior Analyst/Programmers are often on 100,000+ packages.

BadgeIsBack

Indeed. Most senior devs are on c.80k+ easy. 55-60 would be a person just out of uni, in a poor role, doing nothing but web, say. Something would not be right somewhere, if that makes sense.

It's not all Sydney(!)