Programming jobs in Australia
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Re: Programming jobs in Australia
I am well aware that many clients don't want work offshored but the reality is that many of them don't even know just how much is offshore or onshore.... and when it comes down to it, the work can be done onshore, if people still exist to do it, but it will cost more and that's when they change their minds.
#17
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Re: Programming jobs in Australia
Hi
In USA client use to pay the consultants minimum $7000 per month where as if they off shore to India it may not even cost them $1500. So obviously client wants the cost cutting during this recession period. In India companies pay them just Rupees40000 which is equivalent to $750 and they get multiple platform specialist who is ready to work even 15 hours a day. May be Australia is same like USA. Also Americans in USA demand more dollars per hour and many of them have location constraint. So companies are eager to choose foreigners rather than Americans. I am not sure about the condition in OZ.Can some one shed the light on oz job constraints.
Thanks and Regards
Dhaka
In USA client use to pay the consultants minimum $7000 per month where as if they off shore to India it may not even cost them $1500. So obviously client wants the cost cutting during this recession period. In India companies pay them just Rupees40000 which is equivalent to $750 and they get multiple platform specialist who is ready to work even 15 hours a day. May be Australia is same like USA. Also Americans in USA demand more dollars per hour and many of them have location constraint. So companies are eager to choose foreigners rather than Americans. I am not sure about the condition in OZ.Can some one shed the light on oz job constraints.
Thanks and Regards
Dhaka
#18
Re: Programming jobs in Australia
Before the financial crisis it was constantly being reported that Brisbane and Australia had a structural shortage of IT professionals and this shortage is expected to return after things normalise.
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Re: Programming jobs in Australia
...and in the world of outsourcing the client never gets to meet the managers in charge of the technical teams. The only people they meet are the client facing service delivery people. As far as the client knows these people are the managers.
I am well aware that many clients don't want work offshored but the reality is that many of them don't even know just how much is offshore or onshore.... and when it comes down to it, the work can be done onshore, if people still exist to do it, but it will cost more and that's when they change their minds.
I am well aware that many clients don't want work offshored but the reality is that many of them don't even know just how much is offshore or onshore.... and when it comes down to it, the work can be done onshore, if people still exist to do it, but it will cost more and that's when they change their minds.
India - get all the easy-peasy work.
Melbourne - we get all the project, harder work. Make all the calls - set the direction.
We're relieved that we can give India the dregs, the downside is that this can be *****ed up too.
Some of the surnames are very long - and I've worked with a lot of Indians here in Melbourne. They accommodate us by giving themselves nicknames.
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Re: Programming jobs in Australia
Anytime we outsourced the programming the instructions had to be in such detail it was almost quicker to code the stuff ourselves.
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Re: Programming jobs in Australia
For what it's worth, a quick look on seek.com.au shows a bunch of jobs (analyst prog on top of the IT list):
Sub-Classification (5576)
.NET (617)
SQL (457)
C# (385)
Application Deve... (380)
Java (371)
J2EE (219)
I'm fairly new the IT off shoring as they don't do it here much (eastern Canada), interesting thread!
Sub-Classification (5576)
.NET (617)
SQL (457)
C# (385)
Application Deve... (380)
Java (371)
J2EE (219)
I'm fairly new the IT off shoring as they don't do it here much (eastern Canada), interesting thread!
#22
Re: Programming jobs in Australia
For what it's worth, a quick look on seek.com.au shows a bunch of jobs (analyst prog on top of the IT list):
Sub-Classification (5576)
.NET (617)
SQL (457)
C# (385)
Application Deve... (380)
Java (371)
J2EE (219)
I'm fairly new the IT off shoring as they don't do it here much (eastern Canada), interesting thread!
Sub-Classification (5576)
.NET (617)
SQL (457)
C# (385)
Application Deve... (380)
Java (371)
J2EE (219)
I'm fairly new the IT off shoring as they don't do it here much (eastern Canada), interesting thread!
#23
Re: Programming jobs in Australia
Hi,
I'm a Java programmer with 5 years experience - two and a half of those in banking (where I'm currently working) and looking to emmigrate to Aus.
How is the market for Java programmers - where are the majority of the jobs (both non banking and banking). Are there jobs available in all the big cities - Sydney, Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane etc?
And what sort of salary can I hope to get for a good programmer both inside and outside of banking, does it differ much by city (I'm earning 50,000 pounds now basic salary)
Obviously I realise now is a bad time but before the recession would I have to get work in Syndey or are the other major cities okay?
Ideally I'd like to work in a city but maybe not Syndey - want somewhere a little cheaper and a little cooler - I understand Melborune fits the bill and is a very nice place - any comments on that or other cities??
And could I realistically apply for a job now from England on the internet (without any visa etc) and get accepted and sponsored for a visa without having lived in Australia first, or will I have to go through the whole immigration process first, then go to Australia and find work locally ?
Thanks for the help
I'm a Java programmer with 5 years experience - two and a half of those in banking (where I'm currently working) and looking to emmigrate to Aus.
How is the market for Java programmers - where are the majority of the jobs (both non banking and banking). Are there jobs available in all the big cities - Sydney, Perth, Melbourne, Brisbane etc?
And what sort of salary can I hope to get for a good programmer both inside and outside of banking, does it differ much by city (I'm earning 50,000 pounds now basic salary)
Obviously I realise now is a bad time but before the recession would I have to get work in Syndey or are the other major cities okay?
Ideally I'd like to work in a city but maybe not Syndey - want somewhere a little cheaper and a little cooler - I understand Melborune fits the bill and is a very nice place - any comments on that or other cities??
And could I realistically apply for a job now from England on the internet (without any visa etc) and get accepted and sponsored for a visa without having lived in Australia first, or will I have to go through the whole immigration process first, then go to Australia and find work locally ?
Thanks for the help
ok.. just read about every stereotypical subjects here...
So to help the OP I'd start by saying that I am on 457 sponsored visa working in IT (I was Microsoft Technical Consultant in UK) and working as a senior developer for core team in Sydney and can answer few of your questions:
1. Yes, if you have good education background alongside your Java experiences, the there are companies willing to sponsor IT people from UK. That's because, and not just my imo, IT in UK is about 1.5 years ahead of Oz.
2. Average IT wages here are around $55-60k mark. This is for a windows/web developer. Java would be a little closer to $70k.
I am quite impressed with how much you're getting paid considering you only have 5 years exp. But I know the Banking industry averages higher salary in UK and therefore these are jobs that are highly sought after and usually needs someone in the inside to give you the break to get you in or be a graduate of some sort.
In Au, I doubt it whether you will get anywhere closer to this 50kGBP in terms of salary.
In terms locations & regions, Sydney attracts the most IT jobs where the jobs are for Programmers/Project managers whereas Melbourne IT jobs tends to be for System Admins/Network types.
Melbourne is colder than Sydney, but I find Sydney offer the best of everything else that other cities in Au offer. For example:
1. Temps are between 16-25 deg Celsius for most parts (pleasant without being too intolerant)
2. IT jobs are always in demand in Sydney. Even through recessions! There are so many large organisations based here in Sydney, as well as many Au companies in Sydney utilise IT technologies a lot more here.
3.If you come here, be prepared to start from a lower position. I have found that most expats had to start froma junior position than in UK, even though they had real experiences and are extremely good. I work here as a senior developer and was told that I couldn't take any decisions about architecture, without consulting their architect . However, I still put in my tow pence worth because those who do make those decisions here are in my view, still too green to understand the concepts etc...
My question to you is:
Don't even consider the move unless you're 110%...Once you make that decision, reversing it can be difficult and harder
#24
Re: Programming jobs in Australia
Average programmer would be 60+ in Sydney with more experienced Analyst/Programmers on 85,000 plus 9% super. Senior Analyst/Programmers are often on 100,000+ packages.
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Re: Programming jobs in Australia
2. Average IT wages here are around $55-60k mark. This is for a windows/web developer. Java would be a little closer to $70k.
In terms locations & regions, Sydney attracts the most IT jobs where the jobs are for Programmers/Project managers whereas Melbourne IT jobs tends to be for System Admins/Network types.
2. IT jobs are always in demand in Sydney. Even through recessions! There are so many large organisations based here in Sydney, as well as many Au companies in Sydney utilise IT technologies a lot more here.
3.If you come here, be prepared to start from a lower position.
In terms locations & regions, Sydney attracts the most IT jobs where the jobs are for Programmers/Project managers whereas Melbourne IT jobs tends to be for System Admins/Network types.
2. IT jobs are always in demand in Sydney. Even through recessions! There are so many large organisations based here in Sydney, as well as many Au companies in Sydney utilise IT technologies a lot more here.
3.If you come here, be prepared to start from a lower position.
Those average wages look right for an inexperienced windows developer. Not the average of all windows developers (web developers get less).
Average programmer would be 60+ in Sydney with more experienced Analyst/Programmers on 85,000 plus 9% super. Senior Analyst/Programmers are often on 100,000+ packages.
Average programmer would be 60+ in Sydney with more experienced Analyst/Programmers on 85,000 plus 9% super. Senior Analyst/Programmers are often on 100,000+ packages.
It's not all Sydney(!)