the troubadour

I expect fully endorsed. Especially if on half the salary and dependent on the good will of those already on shore in position to maintain the job.

Beoz

I suspect not. As a general rule, I budget 3 Indians to complete the same as an Aussie. Sometimes it's 4 and if I get really lucky it's one, but if its one that individual gets snapped up elsewhere pretty quickly.

the troubadour

Well there is a definite trend to employ Sub Continental workers over others in certain areas. Fall into line more readily and don't tend to challenge. I know the term White Man's Burden, but I doubt the figures you provide of four Indian workers required to match an Aussie. When it comes to the detail I would look elsewhere though, if honest.

Beoz

I provided 3 figures but it wasn't hard to guess you would latch on to worst case scenario.

Fall into line and tend not to challenge doesn't even come into it. In fact, they do challenge, and defend themselves to the end when they haven't done the task.

It's all about the accountants view point of 3 people for the price of 1. The quality never comes into it. Apparently everyone is equal.

the troubadour

I'd suggest otherwise. The work place is increasingly being made into a place of least resistance the more desirable. Add cost and viola. Challenges and changes in work composition on top of poor management does play an ever increasing role in poor mental health outcomes and anxiety. I'm not being specific in occupation but your suggestion does remind me of Irish 'jokes' of old.

abner

So, in terms of raw career opportunities for a non-specialised BA, you'd have to look at Sydney and Melbourne first, but recognise that both have the potential to be 'another Toronto' for you, unless you're able to dig in quickly (i.e. establish a local income and local IT experience to build from.)

This may sound harsh (though it's meant kindly), but unless you're hiding some gun skillset in your previous posts on the thread, your outside-Australia work experience doesn't seem to present any major advantage over local candidates for the same roles. So, you're likely to need to rebuild your career from the ground up, starting with gig / temp / contract work.

In terms of location, Melbourne is probably a better place to start than Sydney, if only because the COL (mainly in relation to housing) is lower. Once you truly re-establish a career in Australia, you can consider which city suits you best, to cement it and build from it.

the troubadour

I can envisage issues but as already written the OP has had experience in another New World country so hopefully recalls the pitfalls along with the reasons for returning. One should not underestimate on so many levels the difficulty these days of moving to the other side of the world. Mostly the huge costs but also on a social level as again already pointed out.
I don't think any city will come close to the Glasgow 'openness' or 'friendliness' which should not be underrated. It can be a very lonely country and lifestyle for many from more 'emotionally' inclined societies for want of a better description.

Beoz

Work your way up to management then as you say "viola", your problem is solved

the troubadour

Well no problems just begin as cop it on all sides. Just wonder why you think it would prove to be any different? Increasingly a vocation in itself, regardless of ability and certainly knowledge.

Scoosh

Thanks Abner, sounds like practical advice. I will start some meaningful job searching in the next few months and try to find some recruiters on LinkedIn on the meantime. If you know any IT recruiters or agencies that would be useful. Right now I just use the Seek website.

rabble_rouser

Can't resist offering my opinion here.
I've lived in Sydney, Brisbane, Newcastle and Adelaide.
You are looking in the wrong country for culture and affordability. There isn't really a pubby nightlife buzz here that you get in Europe/elsewhere. 90% of places shut at 7-8 (in Brisbane) or 8-9 (Sydney).
Instead of culture what we have here is cringe. Whilst you can find the odd "museum" they are at best 3rd rate, and art galleries are basically local "artists" displaying childish art (think school murals and finger paintings).
If you want a good life here you must adapt (if you choose QLD I'd suggest consider converting and joining a church), take up yoga, early mornings jogs at 5am and vegan breakfasts for $48. It is what it is!
In all seriousness though, I wouldn't bet the farm on any city here without experiencing the whole place a bit.
The whole east coast has a rotten climate (8-10 months of summer basically), its either a muggy hot or very hot. For a few weeks it gets a muggy cool where you always feel itchy.
If the climate weren't so disgustingly putrid I'd say Sydney would be by far the best place (its expensive for a reason).
The climate is also pretty dreadful in the south but for different reasons. Its gets even hotter than the east coast but its more dry and it has chuffing heatwave after heatwave.
At least (thank God) in between the blazingly long (six month) summers you get a bit of respite in the other six months. For this reason I prefer the South.

To end with a positive, I've found the work has always been easy to get and pays very well by UK standards for IT related stuff. Just being a native English speaker will be an advantage. Mind, almost everything costs more so you do need to earn more!
I agree with the others that Melbs is probably a good starting point but you should check out each city and decide for yourself.

Scoosh

Thanks!... I guess? jk lol
I had not heard that things shut so early, I would have imagined Oz of all places to have good pub culture.
I do get that activities are generally more health focused though and happy to adapt.
If we haven't secured work before we go then I would ideally do some travelling to help us decide where the best fit is. It is something we didnt do for Canada and we ended up regretting that.
I am not sure just how serious your full post was.. I am hoping there's some exaggeration in there at least!
Cheers

the troubadour

My response would be with regards that other poster as fairly on the mark. Although health focus is a big part , at least in the lives of many in OZ, mental health is rather shocking. Likely a reflection in part to working life ( I personally know /have known many stressed out people with severe anxiety issues) Affordability cost of seeking help rules out assistance of the nature required for many. Perhaps in part a reason why drug issues are so pronounced.
Pubs have improved, but the night culture is very different compared to UK/Europe. Early nights and early rises more a part of the culture. Obviously Sydney has more options, but is very far removed from experiencing the diverse options available compared to cities like London.
Obviously night time vibrancy is not an issue for many, hence weather (there I think the poster may exaggerate a little, or perhaps just don't like warm weather, but for the most part, I would say that is the main attraction to remaining in Australia) Australians to my mind are remarkably home bodies , at least in comparison to cities previously lived in.

Beoz

Depends where you are. I was in the city (Sydney) briefly last night (Sunday) on the way home from the Northern Beaches for a quick beer and it wasn't exactly thriving. It was a Sunday though and it was 9pm. My mate was saying how much better it is to go out away from the city these days and I think he is right. Bit like London, the city thrives for work drinks then everyone goes out where they live.

I was in my local on Friday, when I left at 11pm I asked what time they shut and it was 2am. I was out in Coogee which has tonnes for bars for an early start, and a bit of dinner on Saturday so when I was wandering home about 10pm, all the youngsters were starting to come out.

Not sure about the other cities and how they operate. I think Melbourne has Chapel St and Brisbane has Fortitude Valley as going out areas away from the city but a local of those places would be best placed to comment.

rabble_rouser

To be sure there are some places that stay open to 2am but the purpose is different from a pub - typically for slot machine addicts/sports bars/horse racing. In the larger cities there are some late night night clubs too, I went once to one in fortitude valley. Theres usually the obligitory single Irish pub (finnigans, newcastle), that rammed with drunk 18-22yr olds till 2am.

East coast the evening experience is more built around ice cold beer, sports, and desperate housewives conversation. In the south theres more "late" night dining family gatherings.

The only discovery ive made here is that longer I stay the less and less I come to realize there is here at all. Nevertheless it has its fans, and they enjoy it for what it is. Just be aware it may not be what it appears at casual glance.