Professional copuple moving in Nov/Dec - Opinions on cities
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Where is here? No one ever heads to the city of London on weekends. Maybe some might head to the West End, Southbank, etc but the City of London is a ghost town. Canary Wharf too. For going out in London many stay local especially on a Saturday night. Clapham, Notting Hill, etc. No need to travel to a central spot when it can be all on your door step.
Sydney is large enough to be somewhat similar in that it has many precincts for going out.
The city (or CBD (Central Business District) as they call it) in Sydney tends to be busy after work. Within the CBD there are other precincts such as Darling Harbour and the Rocks which tended to be the go too areas for tourists or newer migrants on a Saturday night. Locals tended to use their local precincts on Saturday nights as it is convenient and just as good, if not better. That said, if you were from an area without much of a night-life precinct you may tend to use the Rocks or Darling Harbour. Obviously COVID and the tourist/newer migrant factor has had a big effect on those areas they once frequented.
There have always been the precincts such as Coogee, Surry Hills, Balmain and Manly which were always excellent for a night out but in recent times places like Newtown, Double Bay, and Bondi, have evolved as excellent night spots with places like Kings Cross quietening right down. It seems to always be evolving.
A smaller city like Newcastle will have their central nightspot location but the bigger ones like a London or Sydney will have many. This is good. Lots of variety.
For example the neighbouring suburb to Newtown is Marrickville and it has a tonne of breweries. You can spend the afternoon brewery crawling then end up in a restaurant or pub in Newtown. If you are on the dance floor that that Marlborough Hotel at midnight you know you've had a good night and for me, with 2 kids, the next day will be a punish.
Pricing is fine too. If you are working and living in a city, as long as you didn't let yourself get dudded in your salary negotiations for for outset the cost of living is no issue. 5 million people can't all be living on the bread line. Watch out for the negative Nellie's on here. There's plenty of them where it didn't work out and they turn to BE to complain.
Sydney is large enough to be somewhat similar in that it has many precincts for going out.
The city (or CBD (Central Business District) as they call it) in Sydney tends to be busy after work. Within the CBD there are other precincts such as Darling Harbour and the Rocks which tended to be the go too areas for tourists or newer migrants on a Saturday night. Locals tended to use their local precincts on Saturday nights as it is convenient and just as good, if not better. That said, if you were from an area without much of a night-life precinct you may tend to use the Rocks or Darling Harbour. Obviously COVID and the tourist/newer migrant factor has had a big effect on those areas they once frequented.
There have always been the precincts such as Coogee, Surry Hills, Balmain and Manly which were always excellent for a night out but in recent times places like Newtown, Double Bay, and Bondi, have evolved as excellent night spots with places like Kings Cross quietening right down. It seems to always be evolving.
A smaller city like Newcastle will have their central nightspot location but the bigger ones like a London or Sydney will have many. This is good. Lots of variety.
For example the neighbouring suburb to Newtown is Marrickville and it has a tonne of breweries. You can spend the afternoon brewery crawling then end up in a restaurant or pub in Newtown. If you are on the dance floor that that Marlborough Hotel at midnight you know you've had a good night and for me, with 2 kids, the next day will be a punish.
Pricing is fine too. If you are working and living in a city, as long as you didn't let yourself get dudded in your salary negotiations for for outset the cost of living is no issue. 5 million people can't all be living on the bread line. Watch out for the negative Nellie's on here. There's plenty of them where it didn't work out and they turn to BE to complain.
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Re: Professional copuple moving in Nov/Dec - Opinions on cities
No one would ever, have ever gone to the City of London for a night out. The boozers in the area tend to close early (as we discovered when attempting The Circle Line Pub Crawl many years ago) Big difference from the centre though which takes in many areas alive with people and night life. Nothing much like Sydney, but Sydney would be closest in comparison on an Australian scale. London is simply enormous in possibilities and areas many not far from the centre like you called out Notting Hill, but there's many dozens and likely hundreds spread across Greater London making Sydney look somewhat limited in options. Even London has certain limitations once away from tourist areas and main streets areas quickly become devoid of people and life. Just Sydney being so spread out and far more suburban, far more so .
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I guess Gullible Gary caught out again. Don't always believe what you read on the packet. While few would venture to Cricklewood in all likelihood for a night out, there is more available there than a dormitory Sydney suburb. Clue being Sydney is a considerable way behind London for night time amusement. Of course, if you passed your time in that Alpha city, in Cricklewood you may have arrived at another conclusion.
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I guess Gullible Gary caught out again. Don't always believe what you read on the packet. While few would venture to Cricklewood in all likelihood for a night out, there is more available there than a dormitory Sydney suburb. Clue being Sydney is a considerable way behind London for night time amusement. Of course, if you passed your time in that Alpha city, in Cricklewood you may have arrived at another conclusion.
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A fair indication of the usual inability to follow something through with any since of arguement. You mentioned Cricklewood , an area I know (as I do Brent) But failed to follow through. One thing for certain you and similar, could benefit from a few 'more European lunatics" as you chose to term people like me. . They'll nudge you in order to wake you up .Laconic nature often in evidence in your posts somewhat over stated as an Aussie positive but in reality a form of apathy.
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I haven’t posted on this forum for a very long time. Popped in today to find the same level of negativity that made me leave.
My 2 cents on Newcastle, NSW.
I’ve lived here for 8 years and it’s changed a lot in that time (for the better, although I loved it from day 1).
Pros:
*Great weather. Lots of blue skies, Summers can have some unbearably hot days but they tend to last a day or so then the temp drops. Mostly hovers around a lovely beach- going 30- 32 degrees. Winter is cold overnight but sunny and bright during the day. Hoodies generally needed, not coats.
*Amazing beaches. Beautiful, not packed, and easy access. Just pull up in the car and enjoy.
*Greenery: lots of bush around which makes for some lovely looking suburbs.
*Nightlife: has improved drastically. There’s plenty for my age group (40s) and my 21 yo daughter is always out. My daughter did not enjoy going out in London before the pandemic, nor the smallish town that we came from. She loved Dublin though, and loves Newy.
*There are lots of great restaurants too. Sure, a bigger city would have more, but how many do you need? Most people will only travel so far to a restaurant.
*There are 3 major shopping centres in the area. This is a plus for me as I had to drive for miles in the UK (I lived in Dorset).
*The vineyards are 45 minutes away and are great for a day out.
*Music: lots of huge bands come to the vineyards and there is a great local music scene.
*Proximity to Sydney: an easy 2 hours.
*Cafe culture: Newy has a great cafe culture
*Airport: soon to be upgraded to an international airport
* Chosen by NSW government as an innovation hub.
* Traffic is generally good. There are some areas that clog up, but mostly the traffic flows well.
* World class University.
* Newy is a hidden gem. It used to be an industrial city and lots of Aussies still have this view, so stayed away. This is a good thing but is changing. Lots of Sydney Siders are relocating here and it’s having an impact (see cons).
* Postion. Great position on the East coast. Easy drive to Sydney, about 8 hours to Gold Coast / Brisbane & 10 hours to Melbourne, plus regular flights.
* Expat community. Not nearly as big as the major cities so a lot of us know each other and offer support. I like the fact that Newcastle is an Aussie city and not UK-in-the-sun.
Most Brits and Irish that move here absolutely love it. Sure, there are some unhappy people but they are largely unhappy because they are away from home rather than anything Newcastle specific.
* Like most other places in Australia, there’s a great tradition of volunteering: surf lifesaving, SES, Rural Fire Service.
* 30 odd km of sand dunes. 4x4ing is very popular here.
* 20 minute city. Even the outer suburbs are approx 20 minutes or less to the city centre or beach.
* Newcastle is surrounded by beauty. Sea / beaches to the East, Vineyards & bush to the west, Lake Macquarie to the south, Nelson Bay / state conservation areas to the North.
Cons
* Art & culture. Other than music, Newcastle lacks a bit in this area. There’s some great street art and the major Van Gogh interactive exhibition is coming here along with all the big cities, but there is not much in the way of galleries. There is only one small museum and it’s based around Newcastle’s previous industrial history.
* House prices are high and are increasing. This is largely to do with the influx of Sydney-siders, plus people being able to take jobs in Sydney and work form home several days per week.
*Housing availability - there is currently a rental crisis. It’s very hard to find one and there’s lots of competition. Lack of homes to buy is also a factor in prices rising.
* Public transport form the outer suburbs is patchy. It really could be improved. Newy is a car city and residents whinge constantly about the lack of parking in the centre.
* Newcastle has the biggest coal terminal in the world. Some see this as a “pro” due to jobs, but personally I see it as a con due to environmental impact. Coal is dug out of the Hunter Valley and loaded onto ships at the Port of Newcastle.
Other:
*We had to adapt when we moved here. No one gets really dressed up in designer clothes for example. People dress for the weather and it’s unusual in summer to see men in smart shorts and polo t-shirts like you might elsewhere. It’s singlet and thongs.
This is the same whether in a manual labour job or a professional job. It’s impossible to tell someone’s background unless you ask them.
*There is no politeness in driving, people don’t wave each other out or say thank you. If someone indicates that they are going to pull in front of you then they ARE going to do that and you should let them. It’s just the way it is. A lot of expats get upset by it at first, but once you adapt it’s a lot easier.
We landed here by accident having considered Melbourne, Perth and GC and we are very happy we did. My 2 cents on Newcastle, NSW.
I’ve lived here for 8 years and it’s changed a lot in that time (for the better, although I loved it from day 1).
Pros:
*Great weather. Lots of blue skies, Summers can have some unbearably hot days but they tend to last a day or so then the temp drops. Mostly hovers around a lovely beach- going 30- 32 degrees. Winter is cold overnight but sunny and bright during the day. Hoodies generally needed, not coats.
*Amazing beaches. Beautiful, not packed, and easy access. Just pull up in the car and enjoy.
*Greenery: lots of bush around which makes for some lovely looking suburbs.
*Nightlife: has improved drastically. There’s plenty for my age group (40s) and my 21 yo daughter is always out. My daughter did not enjoy going out in London before the pandemic, nor the smallish town that we came from. She loved Dublin though, and loves Newy.
*There are lots of great restaurants too. Sure, a bigger city would have more, but how many do you need? Most people will only travel so far to a restaurant.
*There are 3 major shopping centres in the area. This is a plus for me as I had to drive for miles in the UK (I lived in Dorset).
*The vineyards are 45 minutes away and are great for a day out.
*Music: lots of huge bands come to the vineyards and there is a great local music scene.
*Proximity to Sydney: an easy 2 hours.
*Cafe culture: Newy has a great cafe culture
*Airport: soon to be upgraded to an international airport
* Chosen by NSW government as an innovation hub.
* Traffic is generally good. There are some areas that clog up, but mostly the traffic flows well.
* World class University.
* Newy is a hidden gem. It used to be an industrial city and lots of Aussies still have this view, so stayed away. This is a good thing but is changing. Lots of Sydney Siders are relocating here and it’s having an impact (see cons).
* Postion. Great position on the East coast. Easy drive to Sydney, about 8 hours to Gold Coast / Brisbane & 10 hours to Melbourne, plus regular flights.
* Expat community. Not nearly as big as the major cities so a lot of us know each other and offer support. I like the fact that Newcastle is an Aussie city and not UK-in-the-sun.
Most Brits and Irish that move here absolutely love it. Sure, there are some unhappy people but they are largely unhappy because they are away from home rather than anything Newcastle specific.
* Like most other places in Australia, there’s a great tradition of volunteering: surf lifesaving, SES, Rural Fire Service.
* 30 odd km of sand dunes. 4x4ing is very popular here.
* 20 minute city. Even the outer suburbs are approx 20 minutes or less to the city centre or beach.
* Newcastle is surrounded by beauty. Sea / beaches to the East, Vineyards & bush to the west, Lake Macquarie to the south, Nelson Bay / state conservation areas to the North.
Cons
* Art & culture. Other than music, Newcastle lacks a bit in this area. There’s some great street art and the major Van Gogh interactive exhibition is coming here along with all the big cities, but there is not much in the way of galleries. There is only one small museum and it’s based around Newcastle’s previous industrial history.
* House prices are high and are increasing. This is largely to do with the influx of Sydney-siders, plus people being able to take jobs in Sydney and work form home several days per week.
*Housing availability - there is currently a rental crisis. It’s very hard to find one and there’s lots of competition. Lack of homes to buy is also a factor in prices rising.
* Public transport form the outer suburbs is patchy. It really could be improved. Newy is a car city and residents whinge constantly about the lack of parking in the centre.
* Newcastle has the biggest coal terminal in the world. Some see this as a “pro” due to jobs, but personally I see it as a con due to environmental impact. Coal is dug out of the Hunter Valley and loaded onto ships at the Port of Newcastle.
Other:
*We had to adapt when we moved here. No one gets really dressed up in designer clothes for example. People dress for the weather and it’s unusual in summer to see men in smart shorts and polo t-shirts like you might elsewhere. It’s singlet and thongs.
This is the same whether in a manual labour job or a professional job. It’s impossible to tell someone’s background unless you ask them.
*There is no politeness in driving, people don’t wave each other out or say thank you. If someone indicates that they are going to pull in front of you then they ARE going to do that and you should let them. It’s just the way it is. A lot of expats get upset by it at first, but once you adapt it’s a lot easier.
To the OP: as a professional couple if you are into designer clothes, art galleries, top fee- paying schools, etc. then Newy isn’t for you.
If you enjoy an outdoor lifestyle, cafe culture, sport, and community feel then it’s worth a look. (Just to add - we are not a sporty family but we do love being outdoors)
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The last time I was down Cricklewood High Street was on a dark, wet and miserable November day, stuck in the traffic observing some louts shooting a fireworks at a bus. If you can get past the traffic jams, there is some fairly good shopping to be had from just up the road from there: Officeworks, some electrical stores, Chinese supermarket shopping, Brent Cross and Ikea. And some great restaurants in Golders. Nothing we can't get here though.
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To the OP: as a professional couple if you are into designer clothes, art galleries, top fee- paying schools, etc. then Newy isn’t for you.
If you enjoy an outdoor lifestyle, cafe culture, sport, and community feel then it’s worth a look. (Just to add - we are not a sporty family but we do love being outdoors)
If you enjoy an outdoor lifestyle, cafe culture, sport, and community feel then it’s worth a look. (Just to add - we are not a sporty family but we do love being outdoors)