Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Australia
Reload this Page >

(Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

(Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Old Feb 22nd 2006, 2:32 am
  #1  
BE Forum Addict
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Location: A land far far away
Posts: 1,149
Wave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond repute
Default (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Hello all,

Mr J caught a young brown snake on its way into our garage yesterday. It was so vicious for something only about 10 inches long. I know there was a 4 foot one on the (empty) block next to us recently, so that's what I have been watching out for. Naively I didn't think to look for small ones. This could have been easily disguised in the grass. Not good news with a toddler and a baby about to crawl.

Anyway, on to my stupid question............

Would the venom from a baby snake be as strong as from an adult, or does it increase with age?

Cheers to anyone that knows!
Wave the Sails is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 2:46 am
  #2  
BE Enthusiast
 
matt-and-jenny's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2004
Location: From Bradford to Brisbane
Posts: 773
matt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond reputematt-and-jenny has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by The Jones Family
Hello all,

Mr J caught a young brown snake on its way into our garage yesterday. ....
Cheers to anyone that knows!
Jesus H Christ! Brown snakes are THE most venomous! :scared:
Don't know if the babies are less venomous, but should you be catching these things yourself? I'm pretty sure you can call someone that will relocate them.
matt-and-jenny is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 2:48 am
  #3  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 10,375
jad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond reputejad n rich has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by The Jones Family
Hello all,

Mr J caught a young brown snake on its way into our garage yesterday. It was so vicious for something only about 10 inches long. I know there was a 4 foot one on the (empty) block next to us recently, so that's what I have been watching out for. Naively I didn't think to look for small ones. This could have been easily disguised in the grass. Not good news with a toddler and a baby about to crawl.

Anyway, on to my stupid question............

Would the venom from a baby snake be as strong as from an adult, or does it increase with age?

Cheers to anyone that knows!
All I know is the brown snake is the 2nd most venomous in australia, and baby snakes have venom and fangs from birth. Also browns are V aggressive, however no idea if their venom increases with age.

If theres one baby there would be many more. If the block next door is overgrown let the council know, its something you get fined for over here. Land has to be kept free of weeds and long grass councils enforce it.
jad n rich is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 3:22 am
  #4  
BE Forum Addict
 
KatieStar's Avatar
 
Joined: May 2004
Location: Brisbane
Posts: 1,131
KatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to beholdKatieStar is a splendid one to behold
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

I didn't know how poisonous they are. I had one in my back yard. It came at me when I lifted a covering it was hiding under. :scared: It went away when I shooed it. I have a baby about to crawl as well.
KatieStar is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 3:27 am
  #5  
Banned
 
Joined: Jan 2006
Location: Godzone, utopia, Paradise Island under the sun.
Posts: 1,177
Lord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to beholdLord Pom Percy is a splendid one to behold
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Baby snakes are just as venomous as adult snakes, size makes no differece.
A guy in Adelaide died a few weeks ago after been bitten by a brown snake. It was on the road, he did'nt want to kill it by running it over so he got out his car and tried to get it off the road with a stick and it bit him.
Lord Pom Percy is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 3:29 am
  #6  
BE Forum Addict
 
Teliko21's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2006
Location: Riddells Crk, Vic
Posts: 1,565
Teliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond reputeTeliko21 has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Try and keep your gardens clear of undergrowth, anything they can hide under, and don't put your hands in anywhere you can't see, not just to keep safe from the snakes, but also the spiders

My boyfriend and I were commenting the other day when we saw the most recent tiger snake that even if the grass is short, they are camouflaged so well that we still didn't see it until we were a metre away, and with our dog which made it even worse :scared: Luckily he didn't see it so we were able to back away and wait for it to vacate the area.
Teliko21 is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 5:06 am
  #7  
BE Forum Addict
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Location: A land far far away
Posts: 1,149
Wave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by matt-and-jenny
Jesus H Christ! Brown snakes are THE most venomous! :scared:
Don't know if the babies are less venomous, but should you be catching these things yourself? I'm pretty sure you can call someone that will relocate them.
He didn't exactly 'catch it' (made a bit of a mess in the garage I can tell you).

I have said that if he sees another one we should call The Poisons Hotline, who will in turn send someone to take it away! As I understand it anyway.
Wave the Sails is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 5:40 am
  #8  
Love Tiffany's
 
Welshie's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2005
Location: Figtree, NSW
Posts: 667
Welshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud ofWelshie has much to be proud of
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by The Jones Family
Hello all,

Mr J caught a young brown snake on its way into our garage yesterday. It was so vicious for something only about 10 inches long. I know there was a 4 foot one on the (empty) block next to us recently, so that's what I have been watching out for. Naively I didn't think to look for small ones. This could have been easily disguised in the grass. Not good news with a toddler and a baby about to crawl.

Anyway, on to my stupid question............

Would the venom from a baby snake be as strong as from an adult, or does it increase with age?

Cheers to anyone that knows!
:scared:

Arrrrrrrrrr!! Venom is same strength!!
Welshie is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 6:01 am
  #9  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: Oz -> UK -> San Diego
Posts: 9,912
Ozzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by Lord Pom Percy
Baby snakes are just as venomous as adult snakes, size makes no differece.
A guy in Adelaide died a few weeks ago after been bitten by a brown snake. It was on the road, he did'nt want to kill it by running it over so he got out his car and tried to get it off the road with a stick and it bit him.
What a tosser! Running over it wouldn't kill it - you have to do screechies to do that!!!
Ozzidoc is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 6:04 am
  #10  
Lost in BE Cyberspace
 
Joined: Jun 2005
Location: Oz -> UK -> San Diego
Posts: 9,912
Ozzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond reputeOzzidoc has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by KatieStar
I didn't know how poisonous they are. I had one in my back yard. It came at me when I lifted a covering it was hiding under. :scared: It went away when I shooed it. I have a baby about to crawl as well.
Katie, how frightening.

One trick - perhaps u were doing this tho? - is to always lift anything up from the side opposite to where you are standing, effectively rolling the lid/cover.piece of wood/towards u. That way the wild-life dashes out , towards the light, which is away from you.
Ozzidoc is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 6:08 am
  #11  
(It's not my real name)
 
renth's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2002
Location: Ilukapool. WA
Posts: 12,467
renth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond reputerenth has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by Welshie
:scared:

Arrrrrrrrrr!! Venom is same strength!!
Same strength, just not as much. So a bite from a baby one, although very serious is less likely to kill you.
renth is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 6:24 am
  #12  
ABCDiamond
Guest
 
Posts: n/a
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Some info in case it's of any use to anyone.........

For a referral to a local snake collector contact the service listed for your state:

NSW: Wildlife and Information Rescue Service (WIRES), phone: (02) 8977 3333.
VIC: The Wildlife Care Network, phone: 0500 540 000
SA: Fauna Rescue, phone: 08 8289 0896, or Adelaide Snake Catchers, phone: 0413 665 483
QLD: QLD Parks and Wildlife Service, phone: (07) 3202 0220
WA: Conservation and Land Management (CALM), Wildlife Protection, phone: (08) 9334 0292 (BH), (08) 9334 0333 (AH)
NT: Darwin and Darwin Rural Snake Callout, phone: 0407 610 039
TAS: Department of Primary Industry, Water and Environment, Nature Conservation Branch, phone: (03) 6233 6556
ACT: ACT Parks and Conservation - Southside, phone: (02) 6207 2127; Northside, phone: (02) 6207 2113

http://www.burkesbackyard.com.au/199...ives/25?p=2000

There are several species of brown snake in Australia.

The most toxic member of the group, the eastern or common brown snake (Pseudonaja textilis) is found in the eastern half of Australia with a few populations in the Northern Territory. It has the second most potent venom of all land snakes (second only to the inland taipan) and is 12 times more toxic than the Indian cobra (Naja naja).

The most widespread species is the western brown or gwardar, which occurs everywhere in Australia apart from a strip around the southern and eastern coasts.

Deaths from all Snake Bites are on average about 4 per year, for the entire country.
 
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 7:12 am
  #13  
Can't re member
 
welshpom's Avatar
 
Joined: Aug 2003
Location: Goolwa, near Adelaide
Posts: 389
welshpom is just really nicewelshpom is just really nicewelshpom is just really nicewelshpom is just really nicewelshpom is just really nicewelshpom is just really nicewelshpom is just really nicewelshpom is just really nice
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by Lord juvenile Percy
Baby snakes are just as venomous as adult snakes, size makes no difference.
A guy in Adelaide died a few weeks ago after been bitten by a brown snake. It was on the road, he didn't want to kill it by running it over so he got out his car and tried to get it off the road with a stick and it bit him.
I heard/read that the snake that bit him was a juvenile and that the reason he died was that he didn't seek medical help straight away - he went home and then fell ill.

An ABC radio pundit last week reckoned that the liver does quite a good job of getting rid of snake venom. If you are bitten and can't get to help (or help to you), you have to keep pretty calm and still, wrap a bandage tight (but NOT a tourniquet) around the bite and hope the trickle of venom gets filtered by your liver.
welshpom is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 8:02 am
  #14  
Forum Regular
 
Polyphemus's Avatar
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Location: South
Posts: 222
Polyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud ofPolyphemus has much to be proud of
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Although the venom strength 'per mil' is slightly less, juvenile snakes may actually be more dangerous, due to inexperienced envenomation ( may empty venom sacs in panic with multiple tags), compared to an adults more calculated dose (will reserve a 'dose' or six).

Be lucky. G.
Polyphemus is offline  
Old Feb 22nd 2006, 8:45 am
  #15  
BE Forum Addict
Thread Starter
 
Joined: Dec 2004
Location: A land far far away
Posts: 1,149
Wave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond reputeWave the Sails has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: (Probably) stupid question re Brown Snakes

Originally Posted by renth
Same strength, just not as much. So a bite from a baby one, although very serious is less likely to kill you.
Yes but what about a 2 year old and a nine month old?
Wave the Sails is offline  

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.