Poms Go Home, Lured by Cheap Pound!!
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Poms Go Home, Lured by Cheap Pound!!
Unless you are cashed up - Australia is looking less attractive to Poms.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/poms-...0325-qykw.html
http://www.smh.com.au/business/poms-...0325-qykw.html
Poms go home, lured by cheap pound CHRIS ZAPPONE
March 25, 2010 - 1:41PM
The dollar's 25-year high against the pound and soaring housing prices are prompting some British residents to return to the Sceptred Isle.
Adding to the urge to return is the slump in UK real estate values, creating an attractive disparity in prices for Brits who own property in Australia. While UK prices have bounced back from their lows, they remain on average 12 per cent below their peak, and may remain subdued by a sluggish local economy.
Manchester-born Harrison Brown is one person heading for the departure lounge. Mr Brown is selling the home in Queensland's Gold Coast he bought in December 2008 and moving his family back to live in a home they own north of London.
''We're now going back on Monday,'' said Mr Brown, who had lived in England for 13 years as an adult, and adds that he expects to sell at a ''good profit'' when the house goes to auction in May.
''It's a good time to go back,'' he said. ''I think it's a very good time to be out there with a bit of cash and selling the property out here.''
While reports of a UK repatriation surge remain mostly anecdotal, some in the financial markets detect the shift. Spencer Wilcox, managing director of forex dealing house HiFX, said he noticed the trend at the start of this year, and it's accelerated from ''about 10 kilometres an hour in late December to about 90 kilometres an hour right now.''
Money moving
While Australia's economy boasts better employment prospects than Britain, the rising cost of local housing - up almost 14 per cent last year in capital cities - is prompting some recent arrivals to re-calculate the benefits of staying. Those sums may become more compelling, with analysts such as APM's Matthew Bell predicting house price gains of about 8 per cent in 2010.
HiFX, which conducts about 200 Australian dollar/pound deals a month locally for private clients, said it has seen the 50 per cent jump in the number of individuals selling large amounts of Australian dollars to purchase real estate in the UK, Mr Wilcox said.
''Most English people have a good handle of where the exchange rate is at any time,'' said Mr Wilcox, adding that they often remember the rate they received when they moved to Australia.
The dollar, currently buying about 61 pence, makes it "the best time in 25 years to move back to England," said Mr Wilcox.
A British person who arrived in Australia on April 1, 2006 with 200,000 pounds would have received about $485,000 in exchange, said Mr Wilcox. Had that money been invested in Australian property, it may now be worth about $700,000. At current exchange rates, the person would receive 427,000 pounds - more than double the original sum.
Some British clients are making preparations to make spot transfers and forward hedges on the currency - not necessarily tied to property sales, another forex dealer said.
''We've seen an increase in interest from clients looking to lock in or hedge their currency for future transfer (to the UK)'', said Jim Vrondas, senior foreign exchange manager at Macquarie-owned OzForex.
''That's with a view that the currency is good and the property market in the UK is still pretty subdued and prices are still relatively low,'' he said.
Immigration figures suggest that Australia is also becoming less attractive for Brits. While the UK accounted for the second largest number of immigrants to Australia in the year to June 2009, their numbers dropped 7 per cent to 21,600 people for the year.
That drop compares with a 20 per cent jump in New Zealanders to 33,000, while immigration from India rose about 10 per cent to 17,000 while those from mainland Chinese rose by 15 per cent to about 15,000, according to data from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship.
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March 25, 2010 - 1:41PM
The dollar's 25-year high against the pound and soaring housing prices are prompting some British residents to return to the Sceptred Isle.
Adding to the urge to return is the slump in UK real estate values, creating an attractive disparity in prices for Brits who own property in Australia. While UK prices have bounced back from their lows, they remain on average 12 per cent below their peak, and may remain subdued by a sluggish local economy.
Manchester-born Harrison Brown is one person heading for the departure lounge. Mr Brown is selling the home in Queensland's Gold Coast he bought in December 2008 and moving his family back to live in a home they own north of London.
''We're now going back on Monday,'' said Mr Brown, who had lived in England for 13 years as an adult, and adds that he expects to sell at a ''good profit'' when the house goes to auction in May.
''It's a good time to go back,'' he said. ''I think it's a very good time to be out there with a bit of cash and selling the property out here.''
While reports of a UK repatriation surge remain mostly anecdotal, some in the financial markets detect the shift. Spencer Wilcox, managing director of forex dealing house HiFX, said he noticed the trend at the start of this year, and it's accelerated from ''about 10 kilometres an hour in late December to about 90 kilometres an hour right now.''
Money moving
While Australia's economy boasts better employment prospects than Britain, the rising cost of local housing - up almost 14 per cent last year in capital cities - is prompting some recent arrivals to re-calculate the benefits of staying. Those sums may become more compelling, with analysts such as APM's Matthew Bell predicting house price gains of about 8 per cent in 2010.
HiFX, which conducts about 200 Australian dollar/pound deals a month locally for private clients, said it has seen the 50 per cent jump in the number of individuals selling large amounts of Australian dollars to purchase real estate in the UK, Mr Wilcox said.
''Most English people have a good handle of where the exchange rate is at any time,'' said Mr Wilcox, adding that they often remember the rate they received when they moved to Australia.
The dollar, currently buying about 61 pence, makes it "the best time in 25 years to move back to England," said Mr Wilcox.
A British person who arrived in Australia on April 1, 2006 with 200,000 pounds would have received about $485,000 in exchange, said Mr Wilcox. Had that money been invested in Australian property, it may now be worth about $700,000. At current exchange rates, the person would receive 427,000 pounds - more than double the original sum.
Some British clients are making preparations to make spot transfers and forward hedges on the currency - not necessarily tied to property sales, another forex dealer said.
''We've seen an increase in interest from clients looking to lock in or hedge their currency for future transfer (to the UK)'', said Jim Vrondas, senior foreign exchange manager at Macquarie-owned OzForex.
''That's with a view that the currency is good and the property market in the UK is still pretty subdued and prices are still relatively low,'' he said.
Immigration figures suggest that Australia is also becoming less attractive for Brits. While the UK accounted for the second largest number of immigrants to Australia in the year to June 2009, their numbers dropped 7 per cent to 21,600 people for the year.
That drop compares with a 20 per cent jump in New Zealanders to 33,000, while immigration from India rose about 10 per cent to 17,000 while those from mainland Chinese rose by 15 per cent to about 15,000, according to data from the Department of Immigration and Citizenship.
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Unless you are cashed up - Australia is looking less attractive to Poms.
http://www.smh.com.au/business/poms-...0325-qykw.html
http://www.smh.com.au/business/poms-...0325-qykw.html
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What are they going to do when they get there? Unemployment is through the roof... There goes what profits are made from the exchange rate.
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The cashed up Poms originally bid up the houses here in Perth Northern suburbs over the years - this has gone into reversal.
There are whole suburbs dedicated to the original cashed up POMS which are now stalling - less and les rich Pommy buyers, Burns Beach, Iluka, Mindarie, Ocean Reef, Sorrento, Hillarys, etc, etc. I guess the WA Govt could always have an expo in China luring the Chinese millionaires to buy our overpriced McMansions in Perth's NOR to take place of the Poms.
There are whole suburbs dedicated to the original cashed up POMS which are now stalling - less and les rich Pommy buyers, Burns Beach, Iluka, Mindarie, Ocean Reef, Sorrento, Hillarys, etc, etc. I guess the WA Govt could always have an expo in China luring the Chinese millionaires to buy our overpriced McMansions in Perth's NOR to take place of the Poms.
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If you are able to sell your house here, have no mortgage in UK and some money in the bank then perhaps that's the deal clincher. No mortgage means you'll be able to be able to live off less anyway.
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Definitely food for thought.
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but...
New Zealanders increased 20%
India rose 10%
Chinese rose by 15%
Total immigration was 9% higher this year than last year.
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My mates are still working in UK, it's not as busy as it was but they are still doing OK, still going on holidays, interest rates are low so they have more money in their pockets at the end of the day.
If you are able to sell your house here, have no mortgage in UK and some money in the bank then perhaps that's the deal clincher. No mortgage means you'll be able to be able to live off less anyway.
If you are able to sell your house here, have no mortgage in UK and some money in the bank then perhaps that's the deal clincher. No mortgage means you'll be able to be able to live off less anyway.
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Are the majority of Indian and Chinese migrants, students? Are there any stats on this? I can't see them bringing big wads of cash with them other than the Chinese millionaires who buy up our real estate over East.
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I posted about this a few weeks ago. Everyone's situation is different, but in my situation and not boasting, I have a pretty high value house with no mortgage (paid it off) as well as some cash in the UK (earning no interest at the moment though). I could sell my house here, buy a place in the UK for GBP250k cash and basically semi-retire on the rest - and I'm only 46. I know I could get electrical design work, might not be highly paid and part-time, but it would not matter as I would not need to earn much. I could then realise my ambition to go back to university to study history, and basically chill out. I have no great ambition to live in the UK though so we could live in France, Belgium, Portugal etc and I could do short term contract work in the UK or Australia.
Definitely food for thought.
Definitely food for thought.
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When measuring sales in overall volume, only the British outranked the Chinese in sheer numbers, and both nations were well ahead of the rest.
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It is a nice situation to be in, we are not yet financially independent but we are close to it. Everything we have is from our own endeavours - nobody has given us a thing. I know I don't like to discuss property on here but we made a killing on property investment in the SE of England about 5-10 years ago - and now we are seeing the benefits of taking a risk.
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I posted about this a few weeks ago. Everyone's situation is different, but in my situation and not boasting, I have a pretty high value house with no mortgage (paid it off) as well as some cash in the UK (earning no interest at the moment though). I could sell my house here, buy a place in the UK for GBP250k cash and basically semi-retire on the rest - and I'm only 46. I know I could get electrical design work, might not be highly paid and part-time, but it would not matter as I would not need to earn much. I could then realise my ambition to go back to university to study history, and basically chill out. I have no great ambition to live in the UK though so we could live in France, Belgium, Portugal etc and I could do short term contract work in the UK or Australia.
Definitely food for thought.
Definitely food for thought.
Mmm having read a few of your posts I think you would be quite a challenge to manage in the workplace. I certainly wouldn't give you a job.