Pomms/Aussies Obsessed By Property
#46

All I can say is I hated, hated, hated renting. I hated being beholden to an agent who could come round at hardly any notice, sometimes no notice, who you could never contact by phone, who fought you on every thing that needed doing. Who you had to crawl on bended knee to to get the place in the first place and then was picky as anything when we left it in a much cleaner condition than when we arrived. If you're renting you've got hardly any security. They can turn round at any time and say the owner has decided to sell, you've got one month to get out.

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I'm with the Eagle on that one I had a huge house on a medium sized block with hardly any garden.
Even that small bit of gardening eventually gave me the shits so we now live in a unit (with zero garden) in the city.
We also have a couple of investment properties which we wouldnt swap for the world (at the moment). It seems the perfect way for your moeny to be invested with the current growth.
Even that small bit of gardening eventually gave me the shits so we now live in a unit (with zero garden) in the city.

We also have a couple of investment properties which we wouldnt swap for the world (at the moment). It seems the perfect way for your moeny to be invested with the current growth.

#49

Yep, me too. Done the living in a house with a shoe box garden and I hated it. Much prefer to sit in a garden where you can't hear next door fart, there's some greenery and you can sit in a morning with a coffee watching all the birds in your garden


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#51
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Not really.
realistically my mortgage payments will become more affordable whilst your rent will go up year after year. When I retired i will have paid off my mortgage (hopefully) while you still have to fork out for your rent.
Also I have no intension of leaving my house to my kids, I will down size and buy a big F off boat.
They can buy their own property, I had to.

ii. It will also provide a paid-off roof over your head, lump sum or pension when you retire or downsize. Providing you don't tear the arse out of it, it will also allow you to borrow in all essence small amounts to get out of lifes conumdrums. If you have several hundred thousand of equity then 2-3k on a second hand car or 1k to install something is small change, and as incomes grow, it is infact neglible. To a point, some degree of debt is OK - ultimately, you want to get to retirement age with income generating assets outstripping liabilities- if you do manage to get there. If you die along the way, you won't care providing your lack of insurance doesn't stuff someone else.
iii. Property always appreciates over the long run. People get rich by using the banks money, not their own, to buy a portfolio which gets them leverage. All you have to do is being able to service the debt which gets smaller and smaller every year. If this is OK, or safeguarded, then its a no brainer.
iv.Land appreciates, houses depreciate. Buy the oldest house in the best area, or the smallest house inthe best street. By definiton, those big houses on small blocks are a bad idea.
cheers

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All I can say is I hated, hated, hated renting. I hated being beholden to an agent who could come round at hardly any notice, sometimes no notice, who you could never contact by phone, who fought you on every thing that needed doing. Who you had to crawl on bended knee to to get the place in the first place and then was picky as anything when we left it in a much cleaner condition than when we arrived. If you're renting you've got hardly any security. They can turn round at any time and say the owner has decided to sell, you've got one month to get out.
I could see it being hard to rent on acrage for that reason. You need to own the experience and have full control.

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Think the headlines and news last 2 days confirm aussies are indeed obsessed with property, perhaps to a dangerous level, if a .25% interest rate creates the sort of panic they carry on with.
Of course tho, if we vote for KEVIN 07
WTF!! who made that media campaign we wont get any more rate rises
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Of course tho, if we vote for KEVIN 07


It depends on your personal finances. As I've said before, I'm always surprised at how low the average mortgage is reported to be, and reportedly how affordable homes are, based on average multiples (if based on 2 incomes!) The mind boggles!

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Think the headlines and news last 2 days confirm aussies are indeed obsessed with property, perhaps to a dangerous level, if a .25% interest rate creates the sort of panic they carry on with.
Of course tho, if we vote for KEVIN 07
WTF!! who made that media campaign we wont get any more rate rises
.
Of course tho, if we vote for KEVIN 07


Now the American obsession with property without the ability to pay is going to sting us all as well.

#55

Think the media are just talking it up - one copy said that thousands would go under, (were they expecting me to wail?) and in the same breath, they said that others would not bat an eyelid. I don't think people really know. The people who took the most risks might lose it all.
It depends on your personal finances. As I've said before, I'm always surprised at how low the average mortgage is reported to be, and reportedly how affordable homes are, based on average multiples (if based on 2 incomes!) The mind boggles!
It depends on your personal finances. As I've said before, I'm always surprised at how low the average mortgage is reported to be, and reportedly how affordable homes are, based on average multiples (if based on 2 incomes!) The mind boggles!

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As we are now a borrowing society rather than a saving one, interest rate rises hurt and as people now borrow huge sums (often through necessity) even small rate rises hurt. On the other hand, if you have money in the bank and a small or no mortgage with loads of equity then rate rises are great. You get more interest on your money and if rates rise so high that they cause a recession then even better. Things become cheaper for you and you get to buy up other peoples property at lower prices.
