Ping pom confused UK>Perth>UK>Perth>Melbourne>UK?
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Compare Aussie entitlements to https://www.gov.uk/statutory-sick-pay.
How does one live on that?
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Check out 6105.0 - Australian Labour Market Statistics, Oct 2010 most folk end up working more than their contacted hours for many Aussies (me included) this is not paid. I work on average 50 hours a week.
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The blood tests and x-rays I have had have all been on medicare I believe. MRI scan had to get paid for though.
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Simply bollocks I'm afraid. Aussies have the lowest paid holidays and sick leave entitlements in the western world. Even worse than the USA. The working week is much longer in Oz than the UK. There is a higher rates of employee bullying in the western world and penalty rates have been reduced. And it is even worse if you are female. When comparing salaries you have to take into account the extra costs of healthcare and children's eduction.
Employment laws are stacked heavily in favour of employees
GDP PPP is higher than the UK
Average disposable income too
Compulsory penalty rates higher than UK
Unfortunately I only do a 40hr week but wish it was 45hrs - or more
If you work extra without getting paid you're mental. I have never, ever worked one second without getting paid
#51
Re: Ping pom confused UK>Perth>UK>Perth>Melbourne>UK?
X-rays are not free but cost is not too onerous (and you are paying more for the Radiologist's report rather than the actual picture)
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Check out 6105.0 - Australian Labour Market Statistics, Oct 2010 most folk end up working more than their contacted hours for many Aussies (me included) this is not paid. I work on average 50 hours a week.
Education isn't free there are many hidden costs on my latest tax claim $1800 for additional education costs.
No health care isn't free. I've just paid $484 for a series of blood tests and an X-ray. The wait list for the public health is much longer than the UK and it you opt out of the private system you are taxed to buggery.
Education isn't free there are many hidden costs on my latest tax claim $1800 for additional education costs.
No health care isn't free. I've just paid $484 for a series of blood tests and an X-ray. The wait list for the public health is much longer than the UK and it you opt out of the private system you are taxed to buggery.
You can get those tests bulk billed you just have to find the correct service provider. When a doctor prescribes a xray or blood tests you dont have to go to the provider he stipulates. You can take your form to ANY provider and they will still do the tests as prescribed. So it pays to ring around and find your local bulk billed provider.
Personally I get 5 weeks holiday per year, plus public holidays and right now I'm sitting on 180 days long service leave, which I can take at half pay if I want and double the length of time. IE: I can take a full year off at half pay after 19 years. These conditions are provided by Australia Post. We also get 14.5 pct superannuation, the average full time postal worker (Postie/Night sorter) is sitting on an income of circa 70K per, (As long as your doing the average amount of overtime, of about 4 hours per week averaged over a year, so for 42 hours per week) annum Plus 14.5 pct employer super. Compare that to the Royal mail in the UK. We also get holiday homes and other perks at a very cheap rate. That would apply to all the fulltimers in the Aus post work force of circa 35,000 employees, which is one of, if not the largest employer in Australia..
My wife a Mental health Nurse earns more, has similar condtions and has slightly more Long service leave after 20 years in the Melbourne Health System.
I'm not sure that anywhere else in the world gives it's employees 6 months of off work on full pay after 20 years servce ? On top of their normal holiday entitlement.
Edit forgot to add, after 20 years and not taking many sickies during her time in the Government hospital system my wife is sitting on circa 35 weeks sick pay entitlement. I'm sitting on about 30 weeks.
Last edited by ozzieeagle; Sep 1st 2014 at 6:55 am.
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Re: Ping pom confused UK>Perth>UK>Perth>Melbourne>UK?
You can get those tests bulk billed you just have to find the correct service provider. When a doctor prescribes a xray or blood tests you dont have to go to the provider he stipulates. You can take your form to ANY provider and they will still do the tests as prescribed. So it pays to ring around and find your local bulk billed provider.
Personally I get 5 weeks holiday per year, plus public holidays and right now I'm sitting on 180 days long service leave, which I can take at half pay if I want and double the length of time. IE: I can take a full year off at half pay after 19 years. These conditions are provided by Australia Post. We also get 14.5 pct superannuation, the average full time postal worker (Postie/Night sorter) is sitting on an income of circa 70K per, (As long as your doing the average amount of overtime, of about 4 hours per week averaged over a year, so for 42 hours per week) annum Plus 14.5 pct employer super. Compare that to the Royal mail in the UK. We also get holiday homes and other perks at a very cheap rate. That would apply to all the fulltimers in the Aus post work force of circa 35,000 employees, which is one of, if not the largest employer in Australia..
My wife a Mental health Nurse earns more, has similar condtions and has slightly more Long service leave after 20 years in the Melbourne Health System.
I'm not sure that anywhere else in the world gives it's employees 6 months of off work on full pay after 20 years servce ?
Personally I get 5 weeks holiday per year, plus public holidays and right now I'm sitting on 180 days long service leave, which I can take at half pay if I want and double the length of time. IE: I can take a full year off at half pay after 19 years. These conditions are provided by Australia Post. We also get 14.5 pct superannuation, the average full time postal worker (Postie/Night sorter) is sitting on an income of circa 70K per, (As long as your doing the average amount of overtime, of about 4 hours per week averaged over a year, so for 42 hours per week) annum Plus 14.5 pct employer super. Compare that to the Royal mail in the UK. We also get holiday homes and other perks at a very cheap rate. That would apply to all the fulltimers in the Aus post work force of circa 35,000 employees, which is one of, if not the largest employer in Australia..
My wife a Mental health Nurse earns more, has similar condtions and has slightly more Long service leave after 20 years in the Melbourne Health System.
I'm not sure that anywhere else in the world gives it's employees 6 months of off work on full pay after 20 years servce ?
Super is often overlooked when somparing salary/packages. For most people it is least an extra 9.5% on top of salary - a not insignificant sum
Total super is now close to $2 trillion - much bigger than our GDP of about $1.5 trillion. In anyone's language, that's big
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Re: Ping pom confused UK>Perth>UK>Perth>Melbourne>UK?
In the UK I would have 5 weeks A/L per year, here 4. In your example, after 20 years that would be 20 weeks additional paid leave I'd have accrued (or taken)...I'd far rather this than a LSL carrot dangling somewhere in the future.
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I know we've had the LSL conversation before, but it will likely never apply to me...so let me opt out. As far as I'm concerned LSL is stacked in the EMPLOYERS favour...here in Victoria I'm pretty sure I could be made redundant after 7 years and not get a cent for any accrued LSL...doesn't sound fair to me!
In the UK I would have 5 weeks A/L per year, here 4. In your example, after 20 years that would be 20 weeks additional paid leave I'd have accrued (or taken)...I'd far rather this than a LSL carrot dangling somewhere in the future.
In the UK I would have 5 weeks A/L per year, here 4. In your example, after 20 years that would be 20 weeks additional paid leave I'd have accrued (or taken)...I'd far rather this than a LSL carrot dangling somewhere in the future.
I think (in NSW anyway) you get your accrued LSL if they boot you.
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At my medical centre there's:
My doctor - part bulk-bill, part charge extra (depends on type of consultation. If I'm just getting my prescription renewed, they off just BB)
A SJOG Path lab that charges
A Path West lab that doesn't
A small hospital with an x-ray department that charges extra
A bit all over the place to be honest
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Of course LSL originated in Australia, NZ and India to allow those working in the colonial service to have an extended stay in Blighty. i.e. we have LSL because of Ping Pong Poms which is ironic that LSL is questioned by same.
"Long service leave is a benefit unique to Australia and New Zealand (and possibly some public servants in India) and relates to their colonial heritage. Long service leave developed from the concept of furlough, which stems from the Dutch word verlof (meaning leave) and its usage originates in leave granted from military service.
In the 19th century, furlough as a benefit as it is now known, was a privilege granted by legislation to the colonial and Indian Services. In Australia, the benefits were first granted to Victorian and South Australian civil servants. The nature of the leave allowed civil servants to sail 'home' to England, safe in the knowledge that they were able to return to their positions upon their return to Australia.[citation needed]
The concept spread beyond the public service over the period 1950 to 1975, mainly as a result of pressure from employees seeking comparability with the public service.
Nowadays, long service leave is ingrained in Australian culture and is specified by state based and some federal legislation. Interestingly, it is often not taken when it falls due, leading to calls to reduce long-service entitlement in the public sector."
"Long service leave is a benefit unique to Australia and New Zealand (and possibly some public servants in India) and relates to their colonial heritage. Long service leave developed from the concept of furlough, which stems from the Dutch word verlof (meaning leave) and its usage originates in leave granted from military service.
In the 19th century, furlough as a benefit as it is now known, was a privilege granted by legislation to the colonial and Indian Services. In Australia, the benefits were first granted to Victorian and South Australian civil servants. The nature of the leave allowed civil servants to sail 'home' to England, safe in the knowledge that they were able to return to their positions upon their return to Australia.[citation needed]
The concept spread beyond the public service over the period 1950 to 1975, mainly as a result of pressure from employees seeking comparability with the public service.
Nowadays, long service leave is ingrained in Australian culture and is specified by state based and some federal legislation. Interestingly, it is often not taken when it falls due, leading to calls to reduce long-service entitlement in the public sector."