Perth Northern Subs Nuts
 

After the shocking few days of criminal activity in Perth, I had consoled myself with the fact that there didn't appear to be much child related crimes here. Thought too soon didn't I?

Over the last week it appears there have been 3 attemped child abductions in school areas in the northern suburbs (one at my sons school and one on the same street at my other sons daycare). I only found out about it yesterday when the school finally sent a note home. Out of order mate!

I don't want to get into a debate of it happens everywhere, I know it does. It's just made me feel really peculiar cos it's happened on our doorstep.

And it's bleedin well hailing and blowin' a gale out there.

Boo


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Yeah it does happen everywhere, but it really hits home when it is close to you. What school was it Diane. There are a lot of bloody a55holes around. Bet they wouldn't like it if it were their kid getting abducted

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There was one at St Andrews Catholic School in Clarkson, one at Mindarie and allegedly one at Clarkson Primary. The kids were only aged about 7/8 yrs.

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The bloke tried to drag a little girl into a car. Did they ever catch that bloke who was exposing himself at Whitfords a couple of months ago?

Not heard that they've caught him, so I assume he's still out there flashing..

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As you so very rightly say, it does happen everywhere, which is why it is important that people like you post about such things in Oz. I sincerely believe that many people think there is noticeably less crime in Oz and that people are "nice" not nasty like in the UK and I do not agree at all. I think for someone to leave the UK because of crime is fine but to come to Oz expecting it to be better is naive, so it is important that people really take posts such as yours to heart because being too relaxed or trusting in Oz and not being on your guard like they would be in the UK might put themselves and their family at risk.

It would be good I think if people assumed that the crime in Oz will be the same as in the UK because that is much what I believe to be the case and the figures seem to say that too - one time Oz is worse for this that and the other crime, next time it is the Uk that is worse, etc. All in all, probably very similar but I really think people hear that but do not take it to heart and think "Oz must be safer". Well, it ain't. I think those people coming from smaller towns or villages in the UK and going to the main Oz centres might be surprised to find their local experience of crime and disorder gets noticeably worse.

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Good post too many here think they can let the young kids run free , Perth as problems on this front like all cities.
Just dropped the wife off at the airport bloody hail and gales all the way there and back ,plus the airport was runing on a Gen because of a power out.
At 9 o'clock the power came back on so I asked the food outlet for a breakfast , only to be told we have stopped serving them , even though they had not served bugger all for the last hour, bloody Perth .





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I hold my hands up and am the first to admit that I thought there would be very little crime here. Before we came my brothers car was rammed by drug crazed lumatics (here in Perth) and I thought hmmm!! maybe just a one off. F'raid not.

It will take a bit of getting used to, to accept the crime levels are the same here as the Uk. I feel more nervous walking around here than I did in UK. Probably because it's still a bit unfamiliar and I'm not yet sure of the list of don't do's. Eg. my friend told me yesterday not to let the kids play in the sand dunes at Sorrento beach as that's where the weirdos hang out and also not to let them go to the toilet on their own (george michael syndrome). It is common sense but you can be tempted to let your guard down in such idylic surroundings.

Diane:rolleyes:

I admire your honesty in admitting the early idealism. We have probably all idealised Oz at one point (I know I did) and I would have been very happy to hear the reality if a thing like this forum had existed when I came here. Then again, there really was very little crime when I came here, so there you go. There was also much less crime in the UK then too.

What I think people may not understand or believe is the following. If you come from some town or village away from the big cities in England (and that is where most live because only a total of something like 10-12 million of England's 50 million live in London + MAnchester + Liverpool + Birmingham + Newcastle) but read the English papers and see all the crime on the telly all the time and stuff about asylum seekers, most of it is going on in the big cities and not where you actually live and yet it is all taken to heart and makes people think of their country as dangerous and scary. However, their personal experience of crime (not rumours, not what they see in papers, not what happened to their sister's mate's mate, not what they think MIGHT happen, etc) will probably be small. But they choose to move to Oz anyway because they have developed a dislike for the UK and quote problems they have heard about, not have personally experienced. Then the big irony. They move to a big city suburb in OZ (they have to to get the work) and then they are now living somewhere like the places they just used to read about and so their actual, personal experience of crime is now noticeably worse or may be one day. They might read less in the papers (Oz prefers to build itself up, not knock itself like the UK) but their chances of being a story in the paper now and not just a reader of someone else's bad luck has gone up.

Spot on I think Wilf. I lived in Leicester which is a fairly major city but in comparison to the other majors in Uk, we didn't have too many horror stories although as you say, you take on board the rest of the countries problems and class them as your own. Now to have "your city" involved in the daily headlines, well it is a bit disheartening.

I want to stress here that we're not discussing this to put folk off, but the folk at this end need to talk their experiences through with people in the same position who understand. Be nice.

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DianeOZ I assume you buy the local daily paper, NOT the Australian, as all states produce their own daily papers, most of your papers stories are going to be about Perth. Must admit the local Brisbane paper rarely mentions Perth at all.

Whereas in the UK all the daily papers were national papers distributed to the whole country, and so you would see very little about Leicester. I'm afraid you need to compare the Leicester Mercury with your current paper, instead of compareing it against the Times or Daily Telegraph.

From the Australian Newspaper.

Black violence 'product of history'
By Misha Schubert
August 22, 2003

INDIGENOUS family violence was a "great boil on our society" and a direct product of historical events including colonisation, respected black historian Jackie Huggins said yesterday.

In an implicit repudiation of West Australian Premier Geoff Gallop's remarks that "the residue of the past is no excuse for the bad behaviour (amongst Aboriginal children) we're seeing today", Ms Huggins said the role of history could not be dismissed.

"As an historian, I must tell you that family violence is a direct product of history and the colonisation of this country – let's make no mistake about that," she told guests at the launch of ATSIC's family violence strategy in Canberra

http://www.theaustralian.news.com.au...5E2702,00.html


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Yes I do only buy The West and I did buy the Leicester Mercury as well as the tabloids. I am not dissing Australia, I am happy here, I am merely baring my soul and telling folk my view on crime moving from one city to another. There are obviously people who come from places where crime is worse who will find Australia a peace haven.



Diane

The incident at Mindarie was supposed to have happened on Sunday afternoon (but right next to the school). A letter came home telling us about it yesterday (Thursday) and Channel 7 & 10 news were there yestrday filming. Incidents like this should be reported sooner to make parents aware and hopefully more vigilant. (yes I know they should be anyway, but gives everyone a shock & a reminder).

You should have seen the hail last night - pretty impressive, glad I wasn't out in it!!!

Loopy

Last week a friend's nephew collapsed at his school disco at Dudley Park Primary in Mandurah. Turned out a group of youths had got in to the kitchens and spiked the juice, so it's now a police matter. What is the point of doing that to little kids at a primary school disco? The mind boggles.

Snap, so did I. I know how silly I was now, thinking that!!

At my daughters school there is no boundary fence to stop people just 'waliking in' and my daughter has to leave her classroom to go to the toilet. This means that anyone could approach her. I thought back to her other school in Dianella and this was a much older school, but still no boundary fence or wall.

I see children as young as 6 walking or biking to school alone, some with friends but as we all well know a group of children together does not deter a pervert.

Hi All,
I must admit to being one of the naive one's who thought that there was less crime in Perth. Having read this thread last night I was unable to sleep as we have been planning this move for over three years and I am now seriously questioning the wisdom of our decision. I honestly thought it would be a good move for us especially as we may be coming on an exchange which means the same wages as hubby is on here, so no job or money problems and the opportunity to return to his old job after two years.

I am very greatful for all the honest posts as I see them as preparation for the worst that can happen but crime directed at children leaves me cold. Like most parents there is nothing more important to me than my children and so I have to really reconsider our future, the thought of exposing my children to more danger is what is really worrying me.

I have lived in Essex for 15 years, 10 on the sea front and 5 in a semi rural area, and I have only been a victim of crime once and that was because I rearly lock my car and my jacket was stolen.

The local paper reports crime in varying degrees but as Wilf says you read these things and think "the crime round here is terrible" wthout it ever really touching you.

We really want to try somewhere else to experience a more outdoorsy, laid back lifestyle and a safer environment but I doubt now that Perth is the best place to achieve this.

Kind Regards
ACE:confused:

The problem is here in Perth the crime is on your doorstep. When its reported you know the area or have driven through it. So it feels a lot more personal.

We lived in Warrington but crime in Liverpool or Manchester was "somewhere else" had there been a TV station reporting all local crime, I guess the feeling would be different.

To put it into context, report on news, some guy crashed his car on the freeway this morning. !!! Not a major pile up or anything.

Imagine BBC reporting every crash on a motorway in the North West !!

So my feeling is the crime appears to be worse than it is, probably no different to any major UK city.

One of the freebie papers Western Suburbs Weekly prints out crime per area, burglaries, motor theft, graffiti,

week ending August 2

burglaries

Subiaco 9 , West Perth 9, Cottesloe 5 etc.etc.

car theft

Subiaco 3, Crawley 2, Floreat 1 etc. etc.

so its easy to see which areas to avoid. Subiaco seems to top the charts for burglary and car theft most weeks.

Most people living in Australia move near the big cities and with that you get 'all sorts' of people living close to each other, therefore crime, perverts, grafitti is more common, you will get that in any city in the world.

You don't have to live in a congested area, if you are happy to travel to work you can live on acreage in a quiet suburb. We live 30 minutes from Perth city, in the Hills, we have a 1/2 acre block and bush all around us, parrots, possums, kangaroos etc. There is still crime up here but our local council and police are very active in the area, keeping crime down and ensuring parks, bus stops are looking clean and tidy. We also have neighbourhood watch. We've not suffered any trouble with hoons (joy riders), I don't think they can be bothered to come this far.

A good friend of mine lives further out of Perth (still only 40 minutes) she is on a 10 acre block, very good area, safe for children etc.

The Swan Valley, Kalamunda, Darlington, Mundaring, Bickley, Roleystone etc. etc. are beautiful areas with so much space for the children - which is fantastic after living so close to your neighbours in the UK. Don't let the crime stories put you off, also there is more to Perth than the beach!

You cant go on the what they say in the local freebie papers , the statistics change every week , and am afraid the thieves etc will target the nice areas , so what you are saying is stay away from all the nice areas !!! We know some one who lives in Carine nice nice house been burgled now 3 times !!! Very nice area carine and i would live there , we are all open to these people . I see on the news tonite an old lady in a retirement complex has had to fight off burglers bless her. Have you seen the prices of some of the houses in Subiaco !!!! Yes we know about the crime more than the uk , because we only have one city its obvious isnt it , but its still shocking when its happening on your door step , we arent all from major citys , we are from a sleepy village and this is a eye opener i can tell you , dont know what we where expecting but it was a little disapointing . but as long as you are aware of the fact that yes crime is happening and please dont let your guard down with your children then really as with anywhere thats all you can do isnt it . As Diane said she was shocked at the perverts up here as we where , and its frightning , kids they just arent safe anywhere arent they. You move where you want and all we can do is all hope we have picked a good area cant we, Good luck all it is worth it and we know we have been to hell and back since we got here , but we do love it .
Joanne

I know stats change every week, it was just an example of what was found in a freebie paper. I would imagine most people had the intelligence to check it over a few weeks to get an idea of where frequent crime occurred. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :rolleyes:

As we are in Perth and have access to such information, is it not better to share with others, or do we pretend it does not excist.

Have been sharing the info for over 2 years with people like us from home , there is only so much they want to here. Like you keep saying its just like manchester so nothing else really needs to be said . You say all the crime happens at home , we know that , PB has been trying to tell people , but no one listened , they acusse us of whinging , so no people dont want to here it back home . We can go on and give the statstics each week out os the papers what good will it do , we have been here nearly a year they change daily
Joanne

Just want to say we have been here nearly a year now , we have been so homesick its unreal in the early days , didnt hit till the 3rd month , we had alot happen and i think most would have got a flight and gone home believe me . We have got through with some good friends here , and we are starting to enjoy it here , we do get homesick , we miss family etc . The crime is here it is in the uk its everywhere , we all know that . But if i share what happened to us i think most would be really put off , it could happen anywhere as i remember you once telling me , yes it could but god when it happens to your family it hurts. People are coming to start a new life we can give them so much info but only so much , the rest will go straight through , we didnt listen to alot of it , wish we had , but i still would have come i think , if the bad stuff just hadnt of happened. We have only been here as i said for nearly a year , i cant give loads of info like alot of people as they have been here for years and years , so i can only help a little . But we wish everyone good luck shit happens everywhere as they say on here.
Joanne

Joanne,

I agree with what you say, most only hear what suits them. We are only here because we got home sick, sick of home that is. :D

Thanks for all your words of wisdom and please keep posting. I would much prefer to hear about the downside of life in Oz rather than find out the hard way, fore warned is fore armed.

This forum is an invaluable resource to anyone thinking about emmigrating, who better to tell us of the realities of emmigrating to Oz or NZ than those who have done it.

Many Thanks
ACE;)