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Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by nixstuff
To clear a couple of points up, yes, Perth houses are GODDAMN FREEZING in winter. Without proper solar orientation and insulation, if it gets down to 2-3 deg at night outside, you can bet your ass that's the temp INSIDE.
Once in a blue moon. We lived in a strata unit 2 streets back from the coast in Scarborough - 3mm single sheet glass, no roof insulation, howling westerly winds, surrounded by high flats (no direct sunlight), blinds closed for privacy, one small gas fire. Our semi back in the UK had cavity wall, roof insulation, central heating. I know houses are different, but so many folks we know just say 'yeah put another jumper on'. They're nuts over here - insulation keeps the summer heat OUT also. Double clay brick houses with 2.5 ceiling insulation are COLD on winter nights (and early mornings, try stepping onto cold bathroom tiles), and baking HOT in high summer. WA desperately needs to enforce half decent building standards to moderate energy consumption from their dated coal fired power stations, but don't get me started on that. Is there any particular reason why you didn't? Cold bathroom? Get yourself an IXL Tastic fan with heat lamps. (Click here.) I agree with you that higher building standards should be enforced for the sake of lower enery consumption - but since most people in Perth spend their time cooling their houses rather than warming them, this shouldn't be too difficult. Yes, it was our choice to grab a higher mortgage, but that was because we wanted to try the aussie dream. We spent 6 months looking at dreadful dingy 80s houses that needed so much work, so thought bugger it and built our own. And that's where the fun started, trying to up the spec to allow natural light, high ceilings for summer cooling, wall insulation, ceramic sinks (yep, extra unless you want orange/pink plastic) etc etc etc. Let's just say it/we got carried away, simply going for what us daft poms consider a reasonable standard of fitting. Bog basic here is the norm, forget your beautiful european kitchens ans bathrooms, if that bothers you (I know I know it's not important in the big scheme, but hey, comfort is comfort). When I bought my own house in Midvale 2 bed one bath on a quarter ace block, which cost me $91,000) I did so because all the hard work was already done for me. $30,000 of renovation by the previous owner (the local council, no less) had brought it up to a standard that I could never afford here in the UK Lights vs Roundabouts. Tell me it doesn't drive you INSANE sitting at red lights when there's nothing coming. And now left filters. Perth's roads create their own traffic chaos, by using the US system of a grid, which simply means all main roads and traffic flows intersect, usually at the worse spot. Yes the roads are wide and straight, but it's stop start. Inadequate overall planning means there's too many choke points in what could be the most pleasant driving city we've ever been to. 4 sets of lights appeared on west coast highway to slow traffic (Scarborough to City Beach) where roundabouts would have done the job far better in simply allowing side roads to intersect, and kept the traffic moving. Driving home at night was infuriating, stopping for no good reason. If anything, it sounds more like the almighty mess that I discovered when I moved to the UK. I do like this city, please don't get me wrong. And yes, you can grab a drink anywhere, but my point was out of town stuff just isn't the same. Local pubs, bars and restaurants aren't the same as a city buzz, all I meant was this place can be eerily quiet, and if you like crowds, noise, atmos, the city is great, but you pay a big price to live close in - Perth is a city state, the home counties being the western suburbs, and other near city burbs are now strata/unit/rental/apartment/developer city, with family homes costing hundreds of thousands. That's why we're living 30 mins out. I have a big commute because by a set of circumstances we live north of the river (friends and family around us), but work south of the river. And that's our issue. I like my job, even though the pay isn't fantastic, and I'm reluctant to change because of the commute issue. I would MUCH prefer to bus and train, but a 40 min drive takes over 2 hrs on public transport, so that's out. You live and learn. I hope I haven't come across too bluntly, but I must say that you seem to have made life unnecessarily difficult for yourself. |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
And how often does it get down to 2-3 degrees at night in Perth?
Once in a blue moon. So let me get this straight: you built your own house an an area exposed to "howling westerly winds", yet somehow "surrounded by high flats" with "no direct sunlight." Exactly how a house can be simultaneously exposed to wind yet so closely surrounded that it receives no direct sunlight, I am at a loss to say. But even if such a strange arrangement exists, I would have thought that you would have put some thought towards insulation. I have been really cold since I got here. Can't wait for spring to come. |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by TrickyTree
Webgum have you seen your average australian on a roundabout???
Its bloody pot luck where they will go no matter what indicator they have on. I have now got the stage where I do not second guess on roundabouts due to the near misses I have encounted. Whenever my FIL or MIL to be get close to one I cross myself and assume the brace position its bloody frightening. I dont know what they learn at the driving school but it doesnt work. I am of the view that if you're taking a left-hand exit, you indicate left; if you're driving straight on, you don't indicate at all; and if you're taking a right-hand exit, you indicate right. Sadly, this is not how people do it. |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by webgum
I don't think he built this one! It was a previous home.
spent 6 months looking at dreadful dingy 80s houses that needed so much work, so thought bugger it and built our own. I have been really cold since I got here. Can't wait for spring to come. Expect it to be cold. |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
It's August; that's winter for Australia.
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Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Yes it does; but not as much as sitting at roundabouts, jostling for position with every other car in the West Midlands.
In the UK it's everyman for himself, if you don't move in to the junction, regardless of the chevrons you've got some chav giving you the "wan*er" sign in your rear view. The lights change and the traffic can't cross because the junction is blocked. At this point the lights become meaninless. Another one - two lanes merge in to one after a traffic light, I do it every morning on Mill Point road, going on the the northbound freeway. Without fail the two lanes merge effortlessly, car from left lane, car from right lane, car from left lane, car from right lane - no drama - everyone knows the game. In the UK, the lights change and once again it's every man for himself, jostling for position, inching their bumper ahead of the guy next to you, the result - it takes a lot longer for everyone. So perleeeze, don't give me the crap acout the traffic lights, most of them have those little IR sensors on them that can tell if there is no one waiting so you neve rhave to sit for ages at a red light if no one is there coming the other way. my 2c |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by webgum
Really?
Australian seasons run as follows: |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by Vash the Stampede
Yes.
Australian seasons run as follows: |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by renth
Here's something I like about Perth - you're at a crossroads except you can't get right across because doing so would block the junction, so you wait until the car over the other side moves at least one car lenth so you can cross, easy.
In the UK it's everyman for himself, if you don't move in to the junction, regardless of the chevrons you've got some chav giving you the "wan*er" sign in your rear view. The lights change and the traffic can't cross because the junction is blocked. At this point the lights become meaninless. Another one - two lanes merge in to one after a traffic light, I do it every morning on Mill Point road, going on the the northbound freeway. Without fail the two lanes merge effortlessly, car from left lane, car from right lane, car from left lane, car from right lane - no drama - everyone knows the game. In the UK, the lights change and once again it's every man for himself, jostling for position, inching their bumper ahead of the guy next to you, the result - it takes a lot longer for everyone. So perleeeze, don't give me the crap acout the traffic lights, most of them have those little IR sensors on them that can tell if there is no one waiting so you neve rhave to sit for ages at a red light if no one is there coming the other way. my 2c I was responding to the person who did. |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by webgum
Mate, I was joking.
It's not always easy to tell via text alone. |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Yep, sorry to not be clear, lived in Scarborough for 6 months in said freezing unit, spent time in new homes, 80s homes, what have you over winter, all freezing cold, all moaning about it...after sweltering last summer, then just finished building our own.
Give up on traffic arguments. At least you get to go North/East to work Renth, Ocean Reef to ECU Joondalup if I remember. Yes it's my own personal impatience with goddamn lights, my problem no-elses. And yes Vash, most of our issues are self imposed. My main and final point being that many things that irritated in the UK have the potential to be so much better and simpler down here...aren't. No big deal, just a little disappointing. Enjoy West Brom. Frank Skinner rules. Did I mention how much we now appreciate how brilliant UK TV/entertainment is? |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Almost anywhere's a great place to live if you can get a good paying job. What's shit about England are the unaffordable house prices and the weather (although that is improving with global warming!)
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Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by nixstuff
And yes Vash, most of our issues are self imposed. My main and final point being that many things that irritated in the UK have the potential to be so much better and simpler down here...aren't. No big deal, just a little disappointing.
Enjoy West Brom. Frank Skinner rules. West Brom is hardly the greatest suburb in the universe, but it's a considerable improvement on Acocks Green, which is where I lived before. And since I am living in a brand new flat with a plethora of fancy mod cons, I'm not complaining. Did I mention how much we now appreciate how brilliant UK TV/entertainment is? |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Sorry to keep this thread going but I am wondering about this insulation thing that has been mentioned. I *am* prepared to be told I am wrong, but surely insulaton works both ways - i.e. it keeps the temperature INSIDE the house at a more contstant level and stop heat exchanging between insdie and outside- regardless of whether it's hotter outside or colder outside. I mean, the laws of physics don't change so that in Australia heat only flows one way (out) and in the UK it only flows the other way (in). I mean that doesn't make sense?
In which case, theoretically, double glazing would be a brilliant idea for both the hot days to keep heat from coming in the windows and for cold nights to stop the heat going out the windows too? Michelle |
Re: Perth 18 months in...
Originally Posted by michellemac
Sorry to keep this thread going but I am wondering about this insulation thing that has been mentioned. I *am* prepared to be told I am wrong, but surely insulaton works both ways - i.e. it keeps the temperature INSIDE the house at a more contstant level and stop heat exchanging between insdie and outside- regardless of whether it's hotter outside or colder outside. I mean, the laws of physics don't change so that in Australia heat only flows one way (out) and in the UK it only flows the other way (in). I mean that doesn't make sense?
In which case, theoretically, double glazing would be a brilliant idea for both the hot days to keep heat from coming in the windows and for cold nights to stop the heat going out the windows too? n Michelle Easy enough when you're double-glazing those tiny little portholes which pass for "windows" in Britain; quite another story when you're double-glazing a window the size of a door in Australia. IMHO it is far more sensible - and economical - to use a different approach. |
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