BritboyNZ

And anyway, once you've been in NZ 3 years, you can apply for NZ Citizenship & then quietly sneak through the back door and live/work in Oz for as long as you like :-)

Michael

hell, that's a bit harsh ! wonderful country blah blah blah... if you want to
immigrate and meet the requirements the don't hesitate. It's not as hot in Aussie :-)

Michael

Emmy & Phil wrote:

    > NO WE DON'T WANT YOU. Don't come here because you cant get in to oz, this is such a
    > wonderful country we want people who want to be here and make every effort to fit
    > it, not people who come because they cant get in anywhere else.
    > Emily
    > "rohit_tar" <[email protected]> wrote in message news:[email protected]...
    >>hi again guys im really confused now..looking at the new acs guidelines lookslike
    >>it will be very difficult for me to get through to OZ,does looking at NZ make more
    >>sense?i have 2 years IT exp and a 4 year engineering degree..will NZ be an easier
    >>and faster option?
    >>Originally posted by pleasancefamily:
    >>An additional advantage is that with IT on the occ shortages list, employers do
    >>not need to satisfy the requirement that no NZ'er could do the job before offering
    >>it to you.
    >>--
    >>rohit
    >>Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Jaj

That particular circus (IT fast-track) with Australia ended in July. You're probably
not the only non-IT people to have been put off Australia while it was ongoing.

While Australia is not especially quick now, the problem is no longer being
exacerbated by a significant portion of the queue getting priority treatment. Nurses
do get priority, but there aren't enough of them in the system to make a major impact
on everyone else.

Ironically, Australia is now in the process of making it a lot harder for IT
people to migrate there. The red carpet's been pulled back in almost as quickly
as it was laid out.

Jeremy

    >On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 04:37:30 +0000, pleasancefamily
    ><[email protected]> wrote:
    >Originally posted by Jaj:
    >> With a pass mark of 29, at this point NZ is going to be harder for many people
    >> than Australia.
    >> Jeremy
    >Don't get me wrong - the Pleasances did a lot of research on the NZ or Aus question
    >and NZ won for us! But a major drawback for Aus for us was the waiting time before
    >PR approval. Not true for NZ! Life's too short when you're a fast-approaching
    >middle-ager like me to put everything on hold for so long with a non-priority Aus
    >application.
    >--
    >Posted via http://britishexpats.com

Jaj

But no longer as a permanent resident.

NZ citizens arriving in Australia now cannot:
- access some welfare benefits
- sponsor non NZ citizen relatives for permanent (and many temporary) visas
- become Australian citizens

unless they apply for and get Australian PR like any other migrant.

http://www.nz-oz.gov.au

Jeremy

    >On Thu, 05 Sep 2002 07:13:35 +0000, BritboyNZ <[email protected]> wrote:
    >Originally posted by pleasancefamily:
    >> Don't get me wrong - the Pleasances did a lot of research on the NZ or Aus
    >> question and NZ won for us! But a major drawback for Aus for us was the waiting
    >> time before PR approval. Not true for NZ! Life's too short when you're a
    >> fast-approaching middle-ager like me to put everything on hold for so long with a
    >> non-priority Aus application.
    >And anyway, once you've been in NZ 3 years, you can apply for NZ Citizenship & then
    >quietly sneak through the back door and live/work in Oz for as long as you like :-)
    >--
    >Posted via http://britishexpats.com

ams

IT guy from India...5 yrs exp.

Just got our PR thru general skills from NZIS in Christchurch. Real good feeling. Took us 7 months to get it.

This was our points sheet:
Age: 10
Education: 10
Work exp: 2
Spouse quali: 2
Total: 24 (at the time of applying)
Later added 8 for job offer

IELTS
mine: 7.5
Wife's: 6.5

I always wanted to move to NZ. When I was on the verge of applying in 2002 under general skills, the points structure broke
its sleep and the whole situation went beyond my control. I was on 24 points and the passmark went up to 30.

I have reletives in Wellington but not as close to sponsor me for PR. They advised me to come over...live with them and try my luck. I got a 6 months visit visa with their sponsorship, left my job and arrived in dec 2002. Left my wife and 6 months son back in India. I did not wnat to get all of us into the soup and my wife was already established in a good job with Citibank. In NZ I did not have to bother about expenses regarding food and living which was a big advantage. First hop Wellington. Fished around in vain for 4 miserable months....no jobs. Everyone said....u got great experience mate....!!! only if you had a WP or PR....hmmm. Caught in catch 22...spent long frustrating days thinking about my decision to come down. I quit a real good job in India with great salary and in which I travelled all around the world. However I kept on networking with people and job agencies. It made me know so many people....

March 2003....put in my general skills application in desperation for a Job Search work permit....I was on 24 points and the passmark was at 29 without signs of decreasing.

End March....a generous person (who I met through one of my friends) offered me work as independent contractor with his tiny company in Wellington.....Went through bit of a trouble for WP as short independent contracts do not straight away qualify for WP. Those are not by default treated as employment. I wrote them letter clarifying the details of the contract and argued that the contract was in nature equivalent to emplyment. Got my work permit for a year....I knew this was not what I was exactly looking for but gave me a headstart.....good on ya mate..I patted myself!!!

One of those days I was searching the net for job postings....and came across one that was posted 3 month earlier...in Feb!!!. It said people with visitor's visa are welcome to apply for a position in a hi-tech company in Christchurch. I just posted my CV without caring much.....In came the phone call from Hewlett-Packard NZ in Christchurch....I got interview call....!!!

May 13 2003....After 3 intensive interviews.....here I am working for HP NZ from July 2003 in a fantastic work environment. My salary is NZ$5500 p.m. Few months later we are shifting to a NZ$8 million building meant only for HP.

In between went back to India to meet my family after a long separation and bring them over with me . I've even missed my son's first birthday. He is now 19 months old. I have missed 6 very cute months of his growing up...This was my sacrifice for him. My wife immediately got a damn good job here in Christchurch (in 1 week) with Telstra....salary NZ$2500 p.m., she had spouse work permit based on mine.....I was jealous....kidding.

July.....included my and wife's offer of employment with my PR application. Please remember to include any information you think to be important. Maybe while applying or in between. For e.g my wife's job offer was not relevant to the rules of general skills PR. But I still sent them as that might have had an impact on my visa officer about our settlement outcomes here.

October 20...We were granted PR....!!!!

We are now living in Christchurch at a suburb called St. Albans quite near to the city centre. We just love this city. It is indeed the garden city of NZ. We love NZ and settling in south island's hub has given us the opportunity to experience the best of NZ's beauty. My son is in a pre-school and he loves it. We are planning to go back to studying for a while as my wife has an incomplete Phd and I have an incomplete MBA degree.

For those who just select countries as easier alternatives for migration....please do not do that. Moving is a big decision and you need to have a clear idea about what you wish to achieve. As I am from India, I know people there often make the
mistake of believing that life in a developed country is easy by default. I guess it is the opposite. While you definitely get a good lifestyle and environment, you need to shed yourself of the usual Indian habits....of having maid-servants or house helpers, chauffers and not doing your own work. Out here it is a different world mate.....You got to be self sufficient and an active 50% partner of your wife. So....please do your home work before you decide.

So all the best to you out there.....please don't lose hope...be focussed, keep trying and be ready for short-term sacrifice in exchange of long-term happiness.

WheelsOfSteel

I got a job in NZ before ariving here having never been to NZ in my life. I had some specialist skills in business & IT and so the agent pinpointed firms specifically. Did the initial teli-conference with ChCh then the rest of my interviews were in London.

Walked in to the NZ immigration in London with my papers and Job offer and walked out with a 2 yr work visa. Applied for PR once all the medicals, Police records, etc came back, from here in NZ.

Biggest problem you will find trying to do this is people taking you seriously. They will all want a date that you will be arriving for interviews. This is the best you can expect normally, most of the time you won't hear much from them unless you can offer them something specialised and they feel you are worth the time investment.

It's all a bit of a catch22 and it isn't going to get any easier!