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willmore Mar 7th 2009 11:40 am

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 7355711)
Are snakes and spiders a reason to choose one country over the other when no one in OZ has died from a spider bite in 30 years and its rare to see a snake especially if you live in suburbia , very few people get bitten and even less die only around 2 a year, most often they were only bitten because they picked up , stepped on or tried to kill the snake. More people die from bee and wasp stings in the UK then snakes and spiders in OZ.

So I take it you given up on canada then......:rolleyes: You really do get around dont you......:rolleyes:

Grayling Mar 7th 2009 11:42 am

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 7355711)
and its rare to see a snake especially if you live in suburbia , very few people get bitten and even less die only around 2 a year.

Not true.

The western suburbs of Brisbane are where you are MOST likely to see an Eastern brown snake....one of the deadliest.

G

SNH Mar 7th 2009 11:51 am

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 7353857)
They said they don't want a big city so that rules out Melbounre and it would be out of their price range and they don't want somewhere cold, Melbounre and Canberra are cold half the year.

That depends on your definition of cold.

Canberra also gets very hot in summer. But the average house price is one of the highest in Australia.



Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 7355711)
Are snakes and spiders a reason to choose one country over the other when no one in OZ has died from a spider bite in 30 years and its rare to see a snake especially if you live in suburbia , very few people get bitten and even less die only around 2 a year, most often they were only bitten because they picked up , stepped on or tried to kill the snake. More people die from bee and wasp stings in the UK then snakes and spiders in OZ.

This is true, and I wish more people overseas would realise it!!



Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 7355728)
Not true.

The western suburbs of Brisbane are where you are MOST likely to see an Eastern brown snake....one of the deadliest.

G


Actually, for almost everywhere in Australia it is absolutely correct!!

I was born and raised in Australian suburbia. To this day I have NEVER seen a snake - apart from in a zoo.

Remember, what's true for Queensland is rarely true for anywhere else (when it comes to wildlife, weather, restaurant closing times, sunset times....)

Grayling Mar 7th 2009 11:54 am

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by SNH (Post 7355749)
Remember, what's true for Queensland is rarely true for anywhere else (when it comes to wildlife, weather, restaurant closing times, sunset times....)

Maybe.

I nearly stepped on an Eastern Brown snake a few weeks ago while waking near my house.

Luckily for me it saw me first and slithered away.

G

SNH Mar 7th 2009 12:07 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 
I just realised I completely forgot to answer the original question!

Be warned that every year the number of New Zealanders moving to Australia increases.

Now, I do not love Australia - and having been born in Australia I believe I have a pretty good idea of what's wrong with the place. At the moment it is actually starting to look like I might be moving to New Zealand for a while, and I am quite excited about this prospect.

However New Zealand does have a lot of drawbacks. The most common complaints seem to be that the country offers few opportunities - leading to people getting 'stuck' there; and that it is a place that seems very determined NOT to move forward.

What about New Zealand holds so much appeal for you? If it is for the weather and all that goes with it, remember New Zealand is a place where it rains a lot, is often cold, and is a famous destination for people looking for a skiing holiday.
People have suggested New Zealand is more British, but I'm not entirely sure why anybody would want to leave Britain to move to the end of the world to a place that has the same climate and culture but no support network.:confused::confused:

On the other hand, Kiwis tend to not have quite so much of the brash arrogance of Australians, and they have some of the world's most spectacular scenery (and take it from an Australian, the dead grass and kilometres of nothingness of Australia really are ugly and uninspiring, no matter how much the tourism propaganda would have you believing otherwise).

The countries are close to one another, and once you are a citizen of one you are entitled to live in the other (a bit like the EU, but far less exciting!!).

JAJ Mar 7th 2009 12:32 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by SNH (Post 7355772)
The countries are close to one another, and once you are a citizen of one you are entitled to live in the other (a bit like the EU, but far less exciting!!).

Although with restrictions if you are a New Zealand citizen:

http://britishexpats.com/wiki/New_Ze...s_in_Australia

mohogony Mar 7th 2009 4:53 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 7355728)
Not true.

The western suburbs of Brisbane are where you are MOST likely to see an Eastern brown snake....one of the deadliest.

G

Maybe up thats the case up in tropicak queensland but most people living in suburbian OZ never see snakes except maybe if they live in an outer suburb near bushland.

mohogony Mar 7th 2009 4:57 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by SNH (Post 7355772)
I just realised I completely forgot to answer the original question!

Be warned that every year the number of New Zealanders moving to Australia increases.



spectacular scenery (and take it from an Australian, the dead grass and kilometres of nothingness of Australia really are ugly and uninspiring, no matter how much the tourism propaganda would have you believing otherwise).

.

If your saying all of OZ is like that and OZ does'nt have some really spectaclar scenery then you need to get out more and see some of OZ.

mohogony Mar 7th 2009 5:00 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by Grayling (Post 7355752)
Maybe.

I nearly stepped on an Eastern Brown snake a few weeks ago while waking near my house.

Luckily for me it saw me first and slithered away.

G

l almost stepped on a snake once while bushwalking also, l almost got hit by a bus once crossing the road , the chances are about the same, but l'd rather be bitten by a snake anytime, even if its venomous, most bites are either dry bites with no venom or not enough to make you ill and even if the bite is serious l would most like likely have plenty of time to make it to hospital and with modern anti venom almost eveyone survives. Back to my original point is it worth choosing NZ over OZ just because it has no snakes when snakes only kill two people a year in the OZ the same number as people killed by bee stings. If snakes killed thousands of people a year in OZ and were crawling everywhere then l would swim over to NZ.

mohogony Mar 7th 2009 6:59 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 
New Zealand is'nt all Lord or the rings beautiful green countryside paradise at the end of the world, it has Mauri gangs and treaty and land rights issues,
racial issues with Pacific islanders and new immigrants from Asia, a poor economy, low wages high unemployment, low standard of living.

Geelong Gent Mar 7th 2009 8:37 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 7355711)
Are snakes and spiders a reason to choose one country over the other

Well yes actually. What is the point in someone moving country to live in terror?

Irrespective of the risk, the "perceived risk" to the individual is terror. Individuals have a choice on ultimately where they feel most comfortable.


Thank god there are no ghosts here in Melbourne :sneaky:

sr71 Mar 7th 2009 8:53 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 7356254)
New Zealand is'nt all Lord or the rings beautiful green countryside paradise at the end of the world, it has Mauri gangs and treaty and land rights issues,
racial issues with Pacific islanders and new immigrants from Asia, a poor economy, low wages high unemployment, low standard of living.

The majority of that statement is complete rubbish.

For the majority of the population they have as much dealings with Maori gangs as Aussies do with snakes.

Australia has significant gang problems, far worse than NZ - and we aren't just talking about Hells Angels and their bombings and murdering innocent people, we are also talking about the significant ethnic crime gangs that exist.

NZ is probably one of the countries with the least racial problems around, again Australia exceeds NZ by a large margin when it comes to racism and intolerance. NZ is also highly regarded in respect to their attempts to reconcile historical problems (caused by the British) with regard to the indigenous people. Australia again is full of problems with Aborigines, land claims etc. In fact it's absolutely disgraceful the state of how some aborigines live and it's something Australians should be embarrassed about.

NZ's economy is in pretty good shape for a Western nation these days, unfortunately it's been dragged down just like Australia's because of problems elsewhere.

And the majority of Kiwis have an excellent standard of living.

sr71 Mar 7th 2009 8:58 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by mohogony (Post 7356129)
Maybe up thats the case up in tropicak queensland but most people living in suburbian OZ never see snakes except maybe if they live in an outer suburb near bushland.

Snakes live all over the place, including urban areas. In fact there have been snakes discovered in Melbournes CBD. Just a couple of years ago a lady was also killed by a Tiger snake in her garden in Kew.

And spider bites are plentiful, I even know someone with half their inner thigh cut-out after being bitten and getting necrotising fasciitis.

As for choosing one country over another because of the fauna - it's not something that overly worries me but it makes me nervous with kids playing in the backyards - in NZ there is no worry at all and you can enjoy life to the full rolling around in long grass - a joy most Aussies will never have. (as well as playing with garden hoses in these dry days too)

bourbon-biscuit Mar 7th 2009 9:46 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 
I enjoyed living in NZ and there's much I miss but on balance I prefer Australia so far.

Things NZ has that are better than Australia:

More chilled pace of life
Less extreme weather
Fabulous pre-school- kindies and the incredible Playcentre :wub:
The barefoot, community-feel laidback, inclusive, 'she'll be right' thing

Things Australia has that are better than NZ:

Better wages and tax credits for families
More of a 'buzz'
Better beaches and more surf lifesavers
Cheaper to fly to UK for visits
Awesome wildlife and more prolific
Cheaper, fresher food

All just ime of course!

Tooterelli Mar 7th 2009 9:56 pm

Re: OZ or NZ?
 

Originally Posted by sr71 (Post 7352910)
-Much more English than Australia (in weather also, but with better summers)

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I'm confused by this comment. I would love to know what do you mean by much more English ?


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