Over-crowding in England going to get much worse
Jul 9th 2003, 11:52 pm
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Over-crowding in England going to get much worse
Successive governments, by failing to tackle population growth, are turning Britain into a human battery farm - the ugly, congested, unsustainable, urban backyard of Europe.
UK population has grown 20 per cent since 1950. It is 59 million and still rising, projected to grow another 5 million by 2040.
London and the South-East are rapidly becoming a single megalopolis of gridlocked urban sprawl. In its announcement of the Communities Plan for England on 4 February 2003, the UK government planned for the construction of 200,000 more homes by 2016, in addition to 900,000 already planned by local authorities.
In a nightmare vision of the English countryside in 2020, a report to the government's Countryside Agency [The state of the countryside 2020: Scenarios for the future of rural England] published in March 2003 passively accepted that demographic developments will lead to the building of two million new homes across the countryside.
Pent-up and future population growth will be the main cause, made worse by the splitting of households into smaller units - the number of people per household is expected to shrink from 2.5 to 2.25 over the 20 years from 1990 to 2010. So a projected further increase in population of some 4 million by 2026 (7 per cent), and a possible 7 million by 2050, will be even more damaging than previously thought.
Extra housing needs extra roads, energy and other infrastructure. If governments continue to act on a predict-and-provide basis the problems caused by overpopulation will simply spread. Without a policy to gradually reduce UK population there can be no long-term solution to the UK housing problem. Extra housing means extra infrastructure to support it, which multiplies the impact of urbanisation.
Nearly 90 per cent of Britain's population now lives in urban areas, and those areas are continuously expanding to meet the need for ever more houses, roads, airports, shops, offices, factories, hospitals, leisure facilities, power stations, prisons and waste dumps (housing is not the only source of continued land loss spurred on by population growth: an average nuclear power station requires 40 hectares and, if gas cooled, will not be dismantled until 85 years after shutdown. The prison population in England and Wales grew by 25,000 from 1990 t0 71,000 at the end of 2001 and is likely to reach 110,000 by 2010, so that 40 new prisons may have to be built).
According to the Council for the Protection of Rural England, government plans are to build three million new homes in England by 2020 - one million of them in London and the South-East. In spite of recent moves to promote urban regeneration and the use of brownfield sites, up to 60 per cent of new homes may have to be built on greenfield sites and farm land. Both greenfield sites and Green Belt are already being sacrificed to urbanisation and a further 50,000 hectares of countryside (nearly five times the area of Manchester) would have to be concreted over. Every additional home also creates additional demand on resources such as energy and transport, and is therefore likely to increase greenhouse gas emissions.
A whole generation of Britons is being priced out of the housing market. House prices in the UK have now been rising for more than a decade, since the bursting of the stock market bubble. This phenomenon is usually attributed to: low interest rates, easy borrowing at high multiples of income; lack of land supply for building; and, more recently, to the attraction of property as an investment compared with falling equities. While all these factors are real, booming population growth is rarely mentioned. It is a fundamental factor. Population growth curbs freedom. The current Planning and Compulsory Purchase Bill threatens to remove yet more rights from people to control their own environment in order to carry out large infrastructure projects - to accommodate population growth (whether by natural increase or net inward migration) that could easily have been prevented.
UK population has grown 20 per cent since 1950. It is 59 million and still rising, projected to grow another 5 million by 2040.
London and the South-East are rapidly becoming a single megalopolis of gridlocked urban sprawl. In its announcement of the Communities Plan for England on 4 February 2003, the UK government planned for the construction of 200,000 more homes by 2016, in addition to 900,000 already planned by local authorities.
In a nightmare vision of the English countryside in 2020, a report to the government's Countryside Agency [The state of the countryside 2020: Scenarios for the future of rural England] published in March 2003 passively accepted that demographic developments will lead to the building of two million new homes across the countryside.
Pent-up and future population growth will be the main cause, made worse by the splitting of households into smaller units - the number of people per household is expected to shrink from 2.5 to 2.25 over the 20 years from 1990 to 2010. So a projected further increase in population of some 4 million by 2026 (7 per cent), and a possible 7 million by 2050, will be even more damaging than previously thought.
Extra housing needs extra roads, energy and other infrastructure. If governments continue to act on a predict-and-provide basis the problems caused by overpopulation will simply spread. Without a policy to gradually reduce UK population there can be no long-term solution to the UK housing problem. Extra housing means extra infrastructure to support it, which multiplies the impact of urbanisation.
Nearly 90 per cent of Britain's population now lives in urban areas, and those areas are continuously expanding to meet the need for ever more houses, roads, airports, shops, offices, factories, hospitals, leisure facilities, power stations, prisons and waste dumps (housing is not the only source of continued land loss spurred on by population growth: an average nuclear power station requires 40 hectares and, if gas cooled, will not be dismantled until 85 years after shutdown. The prison population in England and Wales grew by 25,000 from 1990 t0 71,000 at the end of 2001 and is likely to reach 110,000 by 2010, so that 40 new prisons may have to be built).
According to the Council for the Protection of Rural England, government plans are to build three million new homes in England by 2020 - one million of them in London and the South-East. In spite of recent moves to promote urban regeneration and the use of brownfield sites, up to 60 per cent of new homes may have to be built on greenfield sites and farm land. Both greenfield sites and Green Belt are already being sacrificed to urbanisation and a further 50,000 hectares of countryside (nearly five times the area of Manchester) would have to be concreted over. Every additional home also creates additional demand on resources such as energy and transport, and is therefore likely to increase greenhouse gas emissions.
A whole generation of Britons is being priced out of the housing market. House prices in the UK have now been rising for more than a decade, since the bursting of the stock market bubble. This phenomenon is usually attributed to: low interest rates, easy borrowing at high multiples of income; lack of land supply for building; and, more recently, to the attraction of property as an investment compared with falling equities. While all these factors are real, booming population growth is rarely mentioned. It is a fundamental factor. Population growth curbs freedom. The current Planning and Compulsory Purchase Bill threatens to remove yet more rights from people to control their own environment in order to carry out large infrastructure projects - to accommodate population growth (whether by natural increase or net inward migration) that could easily have been prevented.
Jul 10th 2003, 12:13 am
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Exactly what has this to do with Australian Lifestyle & Culture ?
Can't you go and play on someone else's forum.
Can't you go and play on someone else's forum.
Jul 10th 2003, 12:17 am
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Re: Over-crowding in England going to get much worse
[QUOTE]Originally posted by onetwothree
Successive governments, by failing to tackle population growth, are turning Britain into a human battery farm - the ugly, congested, unsustainable, urban backyard of Europe.
UK population has grown 20 per cent since 1950. It is 59 million and still rising, projected to grow another 5 million by 2040.
/QUOTE]
No problem theres this idea to in ecourage the useless to become refugees it's called immigration .
I should try another country too many refugees are stuffing this place.
Australia is the flattest and most poorly drained, and largely inward-draining continent; with a highly saline water-table underlying huge areas. We are all beginning to realise the gravity of the salinisation problems that result from misreading the capacity of the land to sustain current management regimes. It has the poorest soils – only 6% are of arable quality and those still need added fertilisers. Salinisation, erosion, acidification and other ills are mounting problems under current patterns of usage. Its grazing lands, the semi-arid lands in particular, have proved very fragile and are desertifying rapidly; Australia is the driest continent, with 70% desert or acutely arid and a further 15% with some degree of aridity, so only 15% is reasonably well-watered.
Successive governments, by failing to tackle population growth, are turning Britain into a human battery farm - the ugly, congested, unsustainable, urban backyard of Europe.
UK population has grown 20 per cent since 1950. It is 59 million and still rising, projected to grow another 5 million by 2040.
/QUOTE]
No problem theres this idea to in ecourage the useless to become refugees it's called immigration .
I should try another country too many refugees are stuffing this place.
Australia is the flattest and most poorly drained, and largely inward-draining continent; with a highly saline water-table underlying huge areas. We are all beginning to realise the gravity of the salinisation problems that result from misreading the capacity of the land to sustain current management regimes. It has the poorest soils – only 6% are of arable quality and those still need added fertilisers. Salinisation, erosion, acidification and other ills are mounting problems under current patterns of usage. Its grazing lands, the semi-arid lands in particular, have proved very fragile and are desertifying rapidly; Australia is the driest continent, with 70% desert or acutely arid and a further 15% with some degree of aridity, so only 15% is reasonably well-watered.
Jul 10th 2003, 12:25 am
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Originally posted by etlniwd
Exactly what has this to do with Australian Lifestyle & Culture ?
Can't you go and play on someone else's forum.
Exactly what has this to do with Australian Lifestyle & Culture ?
Can't you go and play on someone else's forum.
Jul 10th 2003, 12:33 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
Immigrants have important impacts on the Australian Lifestyle & Culture. Factors influencing the rate and nature of immigration, including the reasons Britins emigrant to Aus are, in my opinion, worthy topic.
Immigrants have important impacts on the Australian Lifestyle & Culture. Factors influencing the rate and nature of immigration, including the reasons Britins emigrant to Aus are, in my opinion, worthy topic.
AUSTRALIA'S immigration policy disadvantages just about everyone. The majority of migrants end up in Sydney where they are not wanted. Only a handful end up in South Australia, which is desperate for a population increase. It's time our politicians devised a policy which serves the interests of both states and therefore the nation.
New South Wales Premier Bob Carr – in his most insular and selfish mood – says Australia should slash its migrant intake by almost one-third to 80,000 a year, 30,000 fewer migrants than the present quota.
Mr Carr says migrants account for 75 per cent of Sydney's annual population rise. Some, of course, are part of the family reunion scheme.
Jul 10th 2003, 1:25 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
Immigrants have important impacts on the Australian Lifestyle & Culture. Factors influencing the rate and nature of immigration, including the reasons Britins emigrant to Aus are, in my opinion, worthy topic.
Immigrants have important impacts on the Australian Lifestyle & Culture. Factors influencing the rate and nature of immigration, including the reasons Britins emigrant to Aus are, in my opinion, worthy topic.
Probably the most popular destinations for British expatriates. This is where to ask for advice on living in and moving to Australia or New Zealand.
Why would any Briton who is comtemplating a move to Australia or NZ want to hear someone else's opinion about housing density in the UK - the country they already live in?
Jul 10th 2003, 1:36 am
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Originally posted by etlniwd
The puupose of this forum is :
Probably the most popular destinations for British expatriates. This is where to ask for advice on living in and moving to Australia or New Zealand.
Why would any Briton who is comtemplating a move to Australia or NZ want to hear someone else's opinion about housing density in the UK - the country they already live in?
The puupose of this forum is :
Probably the most popular destinations for British expatriates. This is where to ask for advice on living in and moving to Australia or New Zealand.
Why would any Briton who is comtemplating a move to Australia or NZ want to hear someone else's opinion about housing density in the UK - the country they already live in?
Jul 10th 2003, 1:39 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Nice one you have promise.
Nice one you have promise.
Jul 10th 2003, 1:41 am
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Originally posted by Kiwipaul
Shame we cannot say the same about you.
Shame we cannot say the same about you.
Oh you naughty little boy , head down and earn my tax dollars that keep you .
Jul 10th 2003, 2:11 am
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Re: Over-crowding in England going to get much worse
Originally posted by onetwothree
Successive governments, by failing to tackle population growth, are turning Britain into a human battery farm - the ugly, congested, unsustainable, urban backyard of Europe.
UK population has grown 20 per cent since 1950. It is 59 million and still rising, projected to grow another 5 million by 2040.
London and the South-East are rapidly becoming a single megalopolis of gridlocked urban sprawl. In its announcement of the Communities Plan for England on 4 February 2003, the UK government planned for the construction of 200,000 more homes by 2016, in addition to 900,000 already planned by local authorities.
In a nightmare vision of the English countryside in 2020, a report to the government's Countryside Agency [The state of the countryside 2020: Scenarios for the future of rural England] published in March 2003 passively accepted that demographic developments will lead to the building of two million new homes across the countryside.
Pent-up and future population growth will be the main cause, made worse by the splitting of households into smaller units - the number of people per household is expected to shrink from 2.5 to 2.25 over the 20 years from 1990 to 2010. So a projected further increase in population of some 4 million by 2026 (7 per cent), and a possible 7 million by 2050, will be even more damaging than previously thought.
Extra housing needs extra roads, energy and other infrastructure. If governments continue to act on a predict-and-provide basis the problems caused by overpopulation will simply spread. Without a policy to gradually reduce UK population there can be no long-term solution to the UK housing problem. Extra housing means extra infrastructure to support it, which multiplies the impact of urbanisation.
Nearly 90 per cent of Britain's population now lives in urban areas, and those areas are continuously expanding to meet the need for ever more houses, roads, airports, shops, offices, factories, hospitals, leisure facilities, power stations, prisons and waste dumps (housing is not the only source of continued land loss spurred on by population growth: an average nuclear power station requires 40 hectares and, if gas cooled, will not be dismantled until 85 years after shutdown. The prison population in England and Wales grew by 25,000 from 1990 t0 71,000 at the end of 2001 and is likely to reach 110,000 by 2010, so that 40 new prisons may have to be built).
According to the Council for the Protection of Rural England, government plans are to build three million new homes in England by 2020 - one million of them in London and the South-East. In spite of recent moves to promote urban regeneration and the use of brownfield sites, up to 60 per cent of new homes may have to be built on greenfield sites and farm land. Both greenfield sites and Green Belt are already being sacrificed to urbanisation and a further 50,000 hectares of countryside (nearly five times the area of Manchester) would have to be concreted over. Every additional home also creates additional demand on resources such as energy and transport, and is therefore likely to increase greenhouse gas emissions.
A whole generation of Britons is being priced out of the housing market. House prices in the UK have now been rising for more than a decade, since the bursting of the stock market bubble. This phenomenon is usually attributed to: low interest rates, easy borrowing at high multiples of income; lack of land supply for building; and, more recently, to the attraction of property as an investment compared with falling equities. While all these factors are real, booming population growth is rarely mentioned. It is a fundamental factor. Population growth curbs freedom. The current Planning and Compulsory Purchase Bill threatens to remove yet more rights from people to control their own environment in order to carry out large infrastructure projects - to accommodate population growth (whether by natural increase or net inward migration) that could easily have been prevented.
Successive governments, by failing to tackle population growth, are turning Britain into a human battery farm - the ugly, congested, unsustainable, urban backyard of Europe.
UK population has grown 20 per cent since 1950. It is 59 million and still rising, projected to grow another 5 million by 2040.
London and the South-East are rapidly becoming a single megalopolis of gridlocked urban sprawl. In its announcement of the Communities Plan for England on 4 February 2003, the UK government planned for the construction of 200,000 more homes by 2016, in addition to 900,000 already planned by local authorities.
In a nightmare vision of the English countryside in 2020, a report to the government's Countryside Agency [The state of the countryside 2020: Scenarios for the future of rural England] published in March 2003 passively accepted that demographic developments will lead to the building of two million new homes across the countryside.
Pent-up and future population growth will be the main cause, made worse by the splitting of households into smaller units - the number of people per household is expected to shrink from 2.5 to 2.25 over the 20 years from 1990 to 2010. So a projected further increase in population of some 4 million by 2026 (7 per cent), and a possible 7 million by 2050, will be even more damaging than previously thought.
Extra housing needs extra roads, energy and other infrastructure. If governments continue to act on a predict-and-provide basis the problems caused by overpopulation will simply spread. Without a policy to gradually reduce UK population there can be no long-term solution to the UK housing problem. Extra housing means extra infrastructure to support it, which multiplies the impact of urbanisation.
Nearly 90 per cent of Britain's population now lives in urban areas, and those areas are continuously expanding to meet the need for ever more houses, roads, airports, shops, offices, factories, hospitals, leisure facilities, power stations, prisons and waste dumps (housing is not the only source of continued land loss spurred on by population growth: an average nuclear power station requires 40 hectares and, if gas cooled, will not be dismantled until 85 years after shutdown. The prison population in England and Wales grew by 25,000 from 1990 t0 71,000 at the end of 2001 and is likely to reach 110,000 by 2010, so that 40 new prisons may have to be built).
According to the Council for the Protection of Rural England, government plans are to build three million new homes in England by 2020 - one million of them in London and the South-East. In spite of recent moves to promote urban regeneration and the use of brownfield sites, up to 60 per cent of new homes may have to be built on greenfield sites and farm land. Both greenfield sites and Green Belt are already being sacrificed to urbanisation and a further 50,000 hectares of countryside (nearly five times the area of Manchester) would have to be concreted over. Every additional home also creates additional demand on resources such as energy and transport, and is therefore likely to increase greenhouse gas emissions.
A whole generation of Britons is being priced out of the housing market. House prices in the UK have now been rising for more than a decade, since the bursting of the stock market bubble. This phenomenon is usually attributed to: low interest rates, easy borrowing at high multiples of income; lack of land supply for building; and, more recently, to the attraction of property as an investment compared with falling equities. While all these factors are real, booming population growth is rarely mentioned. It is a fundamental factor. Population growth curbs freedom. The current Planning and Compulsory Purchase Bill threatens to remove yet more rights from people to control their own environment in order to carry out large infrastructure projects - to accommodate population growth (whether by natural increase or net inward migration) that could easily have been prevented.
Jul 10th 2003, 2:16 am
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Re: Over-crowding in England going to get much worse
Originally posted by smiths2
I'm not sure the population has grown significantly since the 1970's. It was 58 million when I left school in 1977. Most of the population boom was after the war, hence, baby boomers of the 50's and 60's. I guess that was because TV was so bad then!
I'm not sure the population has grown significantly since the 1970's. It was 58 million when I left school in 1977. Most of the population boom was after the war, hence, baby boomers of the 50's and 60's. I guess that was because TV was so bad then!
Jul 10th 2003, 2:27 am
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Re: Over-crowding in England going to get much worse
Originally posted by smiths2
I'm not sure the population has grown significantly since the 1970's. It was 58 million when I left school in 1977. Most of the population boom was after the war, hence, baby boomers of the 50's and 60's. I guess that was because TV was so bad then!
I'm not sure the population has grown significantly since the 1970's. It was 58 million when I left school in 1977. Most of the population boom was after the war, hence, baby boomers of the 50's and 60's. I guess that was because TV was so bad then!
http://elt.britcoun.org.pl/s_fco.htm
Interesting link for you above - as you will notice almost 50 million of that 59 mill are in England - I wish people would stop turning the word England into the UK word, or Brit word, as in the above "story" (from onetwothree)
For a start Wales is about 2.9 million people and has been for a good while now - not bad when you consider there's around 7 million in London and could fit London into Wales a good many times.
Yes there are over populated cities in England - London is the obvious one, but there are parts of England which are not populated either.
If you joined N.Ireland, Wales and Scotland together - you probably will find they cover a greater area than England alone - and between the three there are only around 9 million people in total - see figures can be twisted and read differently.
Load of political nonsense
Cheers
P.s I agree with what you are saying - I'm just commenting on another way of looking at it too (I'm actually commenting on the original post - and not yours) It annoys me that people are very quick to 'slag" off Britain - their birth right. They are in for a shock when they live abroad for a while - one thing people are people wherever you go, you can not escape crime and human nature.
I fear people who say Britain is overcrowded - have not even travelled their own backyard yet. what makes them think they will change when they live in Aus.
I can take you to places in Wales where you will not see another living soul. And I fear to say there are probably heaps of places like this in parts of England too.
Just irks me sometimes that people are not proud of who they are - be proud of your country - I may not like the country of England that much goes with my birth right - lol) , but I can respect anybody who is English and proud of who they are.
I'm fed up of people who put down their own country - and to be honest the people I see doing this the most tend to be English people - why??? - be proud to be English for gawds sake! And b*gger what others think - what is sad , people who put their own nationality/birth right down.
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Jul 10th 2003, 3:08 am
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Originally posted by etlniwd
The puupose of this forum is :
Probably the most popular destinations for British expatriates. This is where to ask for advice on living in and moving to Australia or New Zealand.
Why would any Briton who is comtemplating a move to Australia or NZ want to hear someone else's opinion about housing density in the UK - the country they already live in?
The puupose of this forum is :
Probably the most popular destinations for British expatriates. This is where to ask for advice on living in and moving to Australia or New Zealand.
Why would any Briton who is comtemplating a move to Australia or NZ want to hear someone else's opinion about housing density in the UK - the country they already live in?
Jul 10th 2003, 3:51 am
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Originally posted by The Tooth Fairy
Perhaps the Britons who live in Aus might be interested in opinions of Brits in Briton but also Aussies who want to be helpful would also be interested. I see no need to be too narrow.
Perhaps the Britons who live in Aus might be interested in opinions of Brits in Briton but also Aussies who want to be helpful would also be interested. I see no need to be too narrow.
Lived in the UK have family , friends there and been there on holiday.
Now refugees who wish to express views on the UK are barking up the wrong tree on a Forum that deals with Australian lifestyle are they not?
Love your insights now and again on the Uk?
Jul 10th 2003, 3:58 am
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Originally posted by pommie bastard
Lived in the UK have family , friends there and been there on holiday.
Now refugees who wish to express views on the UK are barking up the wrong tree on a Forum that deals with Australian lifestyle are they not?
Love your insights now and again on the Uk?
Lived in the UK have family , friends there and been there on holiday.
Now refugees who wish to express views on the UK are barking up the wrong tree on a Forum that deals with Australian lifestyle are they not?
Love your insights now and again on the Uk?
A statement on overcrowding in Briton draws a reasonable and predictable response that there are less populated parts of Briton "going begging".
Hopefully, having read the responses, the original poster will question their original rationalisation.