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King Family May 24th 2007 8:55 am

Our Computer!
 
Hello!

Another question if I may relating to our PC and Printer. Have any of you taken your PC's with you to Oz? I only ask as ours is all set up as we want it with software etc and it would be so much easier to take it with us rather than buy new...is this possible?

Any advice welcome!

Thanks!! ;)

Fenton May 24th 2007 9:24 am

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were taking ours, need to get a new modem and our printer just died so will buy a new one over there, dont see any reason why it shoudnt work,

Mctree May 24th 2007 10:37 am

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Originally Posted by King Family (Post 4827542)
Hello!

Another question if I may relating to our PC and Printer. Have any of you taken your PC's with you to Oz? I only ask as ours is all set up as we want it with software etc and it would be so much easier to take it with us rather than buy new...is this possible?

Any advice welcome!

Thanks!! ;)

You shouldn't have any problems.

andrew63 May 24th 2007 10:42 am

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Originally Posted by King Family (Post 4827542)
Hello!

Another question if I may relating to our PC and Printer. Have any of you taken your PC's with you to Oz? I only ask as ours is all set up as we want it with software etc and it would be so much easier to take it with us rather than buy new...is this possible?

Any advice welcome!

Thanks!! ;)

They work fine!
To save you changing the zillion UK plugs, bring some of those multi-plug with 4 or 6 on them and just change the one where it is plugged into the wall! Of course in QLD, it is illegal to change the plugs yourself!

Andrew

ex_exile May 24th 2007 12:55 pm

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Originally Posted by Fenton (Post 4827657)
were taking ours, need to get a new modem and our printer just died so will buy a new one over there, dont see any reason why it shoudnt work,

MODEM?? you still on dial up, sad :(

I just took the hard drive, as thats where all of the info is stored that (and possibly the original Window install disc) is all you need to slip into a new box on arrival, but then again IT is my business.

As for changing plgs most PC's now days have a detachable lead (like a kettle lead) you can just buy new ones with AUS/ NZ plugs built on.

marco121068 May 24th 2007 1:46 pm

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Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 4828249)
MODEM?? you still on dial up, sad :(

Depending on where they're moving to....dial up may be the only option.:(

Fenton May 24th 2007 6:28 pm

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[QUOTE=ex_exile;4828249]MODEM?? you still on dial up, sad :(

Well whatever that little box that the phone line is connected to is called :D...I still call it a Modem

rossifumi May 24th 2007 6:45 pm

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Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 4828249)
MODEM?? you still on dial up, sad :(

I just took the hard drive, as thats where all of the info is stored that (and possibly the original Window install disc) is all you need to slip into a new box on arrival, but then again IT is my business.

As for changing plgs most PC's now days have a detachable lead (like a kettle lead) you can just buy new ones with AUS/ NZ plugs built on.

There are different types of modem not just dial-up.

ex_exile May 24th 2007 6:56 pm

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Originally Posted by rossifumi (Post 4828918)
There are different types of modem not just dial-up.

Nope, modems are for analoge lines for ADSL you use a router.

Modem = MODulator DEMoulator

rossifumi May 24th 2007 7:25 pm

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Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 4828944)
Nope, modems are for analoge lines for ADSL you use a router.

Modem = MODulator DEMoulator

*ahem* an excerpt taken from the inevitable site. :D

'Broadband modems should still be classed as modems, since they use complex waveforms to carry digital data. They are more advanced devices than traditional dial-up modems as they are capable of modulating/demodulating hundreds of channels simultaneously'.

Router? The black box most people have for their ADSL connection is a router is it? You mean some people may use an ADSL modem router for their connection.

Gems May 24th 2007 7:29 pm

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We are taking ours as its fairly new. It was made up for us by the IT teacher, so got a better computer than we could buy in shops.

Mind you I brought our old computers hard drive and keyboard to Prague as hand luggage!!:blink:
Dont know how I did it, as I was pregnant and by myself!! Bloomin nuts springs to mind! As it was big and heavy, the computer not me ;)

GEMS

Streaks May 24th 2007 7:43 pm

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Hi there,
Ours arrived less than two weeks ago and is perfectly fine, we just bought an adaptor which we plugged the extension lead into, it's great!!
S xx

ex_exile May 24th 2007 11:24 pm

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Originally Posted by rossifumi (Post 4829044)
*ahem* an excerpt taken from the inevitable site. :D

'Broadband modems should still be classed as modems, since they use complex waveforms to carry digital data. They are more advanced devices than traditional dial-up modems as they are capable of modulating/demodulating hundreds of channels simultaneously'.

Router? The black box most people have for their ADSL connection is a router is it? You mean some people may use an ADSL modem router for their connection.

Frankly that quote is crap, but thanks for playing.

Modulate / demodulate refers to the process of converting from analogue to digital / digital to analogue. With ADSL there is no analogue digital conversion.

You could call the box a bicycle if you wanted to but it still wouldnt be one, try cycling to the shops on it.:sneaky:

kitty4 May 24th 2007 11:54 pm

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Just a mention by someone who isn't IT trained. We had a near new Epson printer/scanner/copier when we left the UK. When we ran out of ink here in Oz, we found we could not get the inks for it. Not internationally recognised, although there were very similar models here, they wouldn't fit.
After numerous phone calls to Epson and talking to lots of dealers, we had to buy another printer/scanner/copier and hopefully send the Epson we brought with us back to a relative in the UK who can use it and replace the inks.
So, if you need a printer etc, might be worth waiting until you are here, in case it is incompatible re - inks.

DunRoaminTheUK May 25th 2007 12:07 am

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Originally Posted by King Family (Post 4827542)
Hello!

Another question if I may relating to our PC and Printer. Have any of you taken your PC's with you to Oz? I only ask as ours is all set up as we want it with software etc and it would be so much easier to take it with us rather than buy new...is this possible?

Any advice welcome!

Thanks!! ;)

I brought our Dell desktop and Dell laptop here (laptop on plane and desktop on a ship) and they work fine.

You can even buy plug adapters for UK plugs here. I use one for the desktop.

rossifumi May 25th 2007 1:30 am

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Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 4829791)
Frankly that quote is crap, but thanks for playing.

Modulate / demodulate refers to the process of converting from analogue to digital / digital to analogue. With ADSL there is no analogue digital conversion.

You could call the box a bicycle if you wanted to but it still wouldnt be one, try cycling to the shops on it.:sneaky:

So for ADSL you use a router to connect do you? Isn't a router used to pass information (packets) between nodes within a network? You didn't get back to me on that one.

Are you telling me that there is no Modulate/Demodulate process with digital signaling?

The quote is not crap. :ohmy:

ex_exile May 25th 2007 8:51 am

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Originally Posted by rossifumi (Post 4830347)
So for ADSL you use a router to connect do you? Isn't a router used to pass information (packets) between nodes within a network? You didn't get back to me on that one.

Yes, your computer in one node on a network (the internet) the target website resides on another node on the network


Are you telling me that there is no Modulate/Demodulate process with digital signaling?
Yes, yes I am, there may be multiplexing with G.lite ADSL but thats different.


The quote is not crap. :ohmy:
Yes, yes it is!:p

As I say you can call it what you like but as it doesnt actualy perform the modulate demodulate process it is not a modem, I guess the manufactures dont call it a router as it scares people. The general public doesnt understand the technology, and they dont have to, so some explainations you see it books aimed at the general public are not technically correct.

steve`o May 25th 2007 8:58 am

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Originally Posted by andrew63 (Post 4827904)
They work fine!
To save you changing the zillion UK plugs, bring some of those multi-plug with 4 or 6 on them and just change the one where it is plugged into the wall! Of course in QLD, it is illegal to change the plugs yourself!

Andrew

Of course in QLD, it is illegal to change the plugs yourself!

sorry urban myth or in plain english a load of bollocks

go to bunnings buy as many 10amp plugs as you require and have fun changing them over, a lead to an computor / kettle or any other "white goods" whatever does not consitute fixed wiring and therefore does not come under asnz 3000-2000 ( aussie wiring rules )


regards steve
electrician in qld ;)

naifyboy May 25th 2007 11:21 am

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Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 4832205)
Yes, your computer in one node on a network (the internet) the target website resides on another node on the network

Yes, yes I am, there may be multiplexing with G.lite ADSL but thats different.

Yes, yes it is!:p

As I say you can call it what you like but as it doesnt actualy perform the modulate demodulate process it is not a modem, I guess the manufactures dont call it a router as it scares people. The general public doesnt understand the technology, and they dont have to, so some explainations you see it books aimed at the general public are not technically correct.

Sorry to butt in - but I am a Network Manager about to emigrate to the same job (sponsered) in Oz.

As far as I am concerned Ex_Exile is correct.

hoofie2002 May 25th 2007 12:52 pm

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Originally Posted by naifyboy (Post 4832538)
Sorry to butt in - but I am a Network Manager about to emigrate to the same job (sponsered) in Oz.

As far as I am concerned Ex_Exile is correct.

Sorry, but Rossifumi is indeed correct. Apologies to everyone reading this, it gets a bit geeky now !

The base ADSL technical transmission spec ITU G.992.1 indicates that the copper wire transmission signal is indeed modulated, just like dial-up modems, although much faster.

Remember that due to variable distance and losses, you cannot whack a standard on/off sequence down a copper phone pair [the same concept as ethernet cable]. You have to use frequency shifting [modulation of the digitial input] to transmit the on/off sequence. Older dial-up models use the same process. This is also why you have 'splitters' on the phone line - the high frequency adsl signal modulation shows up as noise on any phone on the same physical line as an ADSL model unless you filter it off.

An ADSL 'router' or 'modem' nowadays is both. It routes network traffic but also modulates digital network traffic to analogue for phone line transmission.

p.s. I've got B.Eng in Electronics so I'm sad and read this kind of stuff.

DrWho May 25th 2007 1:12 pm

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Originally Posted by hoofie2002 (Post 4832676)
Sorry, but Rossifumi is indeed correct. Apologies to everyone reading this, it gets a bit geeky now !

The base ADSL technical transmission spec ITU G.992.1 indicates that the copper wire transmission signal is indeed modulated, just like dial-up modems, although much faster.

Remember that due to variable distance and losses, you cannot whack a standard on/off sequence down a copper phone pair [the same concept as ethernet cable]. You have to use frequency shifting [modulation of the digitial input] to transmit the on/off sequence. Older dial-up models use the same process. This is also why you have 'splitters' on the phone line - the high frequency adsl signal modulation shows up as noise on any phone on the same physical line as an ADSL model unless you filter it off.

An ADSL 'router' or 'modem' nowadays is both. It routes network traffic but also modulates digital network traffic to analogue for phone line transmission.

And that would seem to be the definitive answer on this one. Amen.


p.s. I've got B.Eng in Electronics so I'm sad and read this kind of stuff.
I'm sadder... I've bookmarked it for reading later... :thumbup:

ex_exile May 25th 2007 1:36 pm

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Originally Posted by rodders39 (Post 4832708)
And that would seem to be the definitive answer on this one. Amen.



I'm sadder... I've bookmarked it for reading later... :thumbup:

Okay....... digital modulating, always thought about that more as multplexing (TDM or FDM), hummmm, wellll...:lol: still a router though!

I spend my life dealing with DWDM, and FTTN believe that should be the future, ADSL is sooooo last 2004! Definatly no modulating with FTTN.

hoofie2002 May 25th 2007 4:39 pm

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Originally Posted by ex_exile (Post 4832747)
Okay....... digital modulating, always thought about that more as multplexing (TDM or FDM), hummmm, wellll...:lol: still a router though!

I spend my life dealing with DWDM, and FTTN believe that should be the future, ADSL is sooooo last 2004! Definatly no modulating with FTTN.

Seconded - to still be using copper pairs designed for voice calls in 2007 is ridiculous - ADSL just tries to make a silk purse out of a sows ear.

BullcreekBob May 25th 2007 4:40 pm

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Originally Posted by steve`o (Post 4832223)
Of course in QLD, it is illegal to change the plugs yourself!

sorry urban myth or in plain english a load of bollocks

Perhap it's legal to change plugs, perhaps not.

However plugging in a network cable is definately a no no. See this

steve`o May 25th 2007 7:56 pm

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:rofl:

Originally Posted by BullcreekBob (Post 4833079)
Perhap it's legal to change plugs, perhaps not.

However plugging in a network cable is definately a no no. See this

sorry mate bwtf has that got to do with changing a plug top :confused:

mmmm let me think

no cannot see any connection

talk about tangents :rofl:

kezzabird May 25th 2007 10:31 pm

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Will you lot pack it in, before I come over there and bang your heads together!!!!:confused:

You are just confusing us techno phobics even more!!!:huh:


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