the official jobs/wages thread...
#1066
Re: the official jobs/wages thread...
It has been for me and all my colleagues and most other people I know in the industry. We are desparate for people with the right skills. I will pay senior electrical designers with 5 years good (even non-mining)experience, $85/hr plus 15% retention bonus (about $200k pa) but I can't find anyone. For engineers it's $95-120/hr - also very hard to find people. This is Perth based and not FIFO and not even required to visit site - ever.
This is the reality of engineering in Perth in 2008. I'm in charge of a 16 man design team and know what I'm talking about.
This is the reality of engineering in Perth in 2008. I'm in charge of a 16 man design team and know what I'm talking about.
Does this experience have to be in Aus or can it be gained working anywhere worldwide?
What are the requirements? Perhaps you could dot point them here so people can send you their CV's?
If you're desperate to fill the jobs, here's your chance. I might even apply myself
Last edited by sonlymewalter; Apr 29th 2008 at 4:34 am.
#1067
Re: the official jobs/wages thread...
Great news Amazulu. Fantastic that you are standing up to the mark
Does this experience have to be in Aus or can it be gained working anywhere worldwide?
What are the requirements? Perhaps you could dot point them here so people can send you their CV's?
If you're desperate to fill the jobs, here's your chance. I might even apply myself
Does this experience have to be in Aus or can it be gained working anywhere worldwide?
What are the requirements? Perhaps you could dot point them here so people can send you their CV's?
If you're desperate to fill the jobs, here's your chance. I might even apply myself
#1068
Forum Regular
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 166
Re: the official jobs/wages thread...
I am concerned now, with this problem of contract wages and poms working in Australia. I have been in engineering almost thirty years, the last fifteen years as a contract mechanical detailer/designer/3D modeller and have worked for many big names in lots of industries, but not in mining.
The other problem I could have is, although I’m born and bread in the UK, I have a Polish name.
We are moving to Perth this year and I’m relying to be on these top rates, in order to be able to afford the extortionate house prices over there. Am I going to struggle to get on these high contract rates in the city, which is where I plan to work?
Hi T hope you had a good holiday.
The other problem I could have is, although I’m born and bread in the UK, I have a Polish name.
We are moving to Perth this year and I’m relying to be on these top rates, in order to be able to afford the extortionate house prices over there. Am I going to struggle to get on these high contract rates in the city, which is where I plan to work?
Hi T hope you had a good holiday.
#1069
Re: the official jobs/wages thread...
We will accept electrical design experience in non-mining areas as long as it is in things like HV, substation design, controls, MCCs, PLCs etc. A senior designer needs at least 5 years experience, for a senior engineer more experience is needed. Even though we are desperate, we cannot just take anyone. Industry in Australia has been extremely shortsighted in regards to training and development. In Perth, all the mining companies are chasing the same people and very few new people are entering the market. The TAFE in Fremantle was thinking of closing it's electrical design course due to lack of students! This is at the same time as the media is full of stories about the mining boom and the high salaries on offer.
It looks like this equates to less than 0.01% of immigrants who have the potential to work in the area of mining you mentioned and earn the amount suggested.
I agree that talking about mining and high salaries on offer are a smokescreen. There are those jobs and those salaries, but they are very, very, very far and few between and due to experience required there is more chance of an expat becoming the next Priminister than there is of matching an Expats skills within the mining trade and earning those sorts of high salaries.
So ......we're back to where we started. Exactly as I mentioned in my previous posts
#1070
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Joined: Mar 2008
Posts: 232
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from chatting to my new employers, they mentioned that being British in Oz is sometimes a drawback in regards to winning new business. Comments such as 'why do we need a 'insert swearword' pommie to sort things out' seem common from day to day-and this will be said straight to your face, whilst you out for lunch, that you paying for!
On the flip side of that though, the clients that they have managed to win business with are very happy with the british style of business and this is now securing more business in this area.
I have spoken to friends over there (who are australian) and they have said this attitude is common and you will come across it... I prefer to walk in knowing that I may encounter this, rather than be blissfully unaware!
I think I need to go frequent Shep Bush and walkabout pubs to familiarise myself
On the flip side of that though, the clients that they have managed to win business with are very happy with the british style of business and this is now securing more business in this area.
I have spoken to friends over there (who are australian) and they have said this attitude is common and you will come across it... I prefer to walk in knowing that I may encounter this, rather than be blissfully unaware!
I think I need to go frequent Shep Bush and walkabout pubs to familiarise myself
#1071
Re: the official jobs/wages thread...
from chatting to my new employers, they mentioned that being British in Oz is sometimes a drawback in regards to winning new business. Comments such as 'why do we need a 'insert swearword' pommie to sort things out' seem common from day to day-and this will be said straight to your face, whilst you out for lunch, that you paying for!
Now before any Poms jump up and down, racism happens in ever country. If you accept this, don't condone it, but are realistic and work around it - then that's the way fwd.
Every culture has good and bad. Australia is no different. The key is to understand how it works and be hard working, honest, demonstrate good values and be professional. Also know you aren't going to build your career overnight by earning mega bucks from day one. The key is to be realistic.
Last edited by sonlymewalter; May 1st 2008 at 1:05 pm.
#1073
Home and Happy
Joined: Dec 2002
Location: Keep true friends and puppets close, trust no-one else...
Posts: 93,787
Re: the official jobs/wages thread...
"Racist" doesn't have to involve a difference of "colours", it is a prejudice against another race.
Last edited by Pollyana; May 2nd 2008 at 9:50 am.
#1074
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Joined: Mar 2007
Posts: 733
Re: the official jobs/wages thread...
and race is defined by...?
is a pom a different race to an aussie? Don't most aussies have anglosaxon heritage?
is a broomstick enough of a prejudice to qualify as a different race?
is a pom a different race to an aussie? Don't most aussies have anglosaxon heritage?
is a broomstick enough of a prejudice to qualify as a different race?
#1075
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Joined: Apr 2008
Location: cardiff south wales
Posts: 15
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what an excellent idea! my family and i are going through the motions of migration we have not decided really on what part of australia we want to move to but with me being a bricklayer this site has really helped us out, well done! keep up the good work see you ALL soon lol
#1076
Re: the official jobs/wages thread...
Thats basically the legal basis in plain English, however I doubt if most on here will accept that explanation.
What it comes down to, is there has to be a racial slur, accompanied with the pommy term for any insult to have a racist base. IE: Pommy Bastard, could be deemed predjudiced in certain circumstances, whereas "White Pommy Bastard" is definitely racist.
Whoops just seen the thread title... lol
I dont think being stricly a pom gets you more money though. Hopefully thats enough to make this post relevant to this thread....pheww.
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Last edited by ozzieeagle; May 2nd 2008 at 11:42 pm.
#1077
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Racism is Power+Prejudice
It's not just black Vs white or race
It's about context, perception, intent, power, subjugation, prejudice and a myriad of other things.
It's not just black Vs white or race
It's about context, perception, intent, power, subjugation, prejudice and a myriad of other things.
#1079
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My example shows it doesn't have to be someone saying something against a race. It can be someone in a position of power who intends to subjugate another.
If you define racism as not being something between people of the same race then an Aussie calling a Pom names is not racism.
My definition shows that indeed it can be. Hence power + subjugation is racism.