NZ or OZ?
Aug 26th 2003, 11:53 pm
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Originally posted by cadman
I don't mean to interrupt here.....................
but, obviously I'm not from Oz or NZ so I don't think what they think of each other will affect me that much.
What I want to know is which has a better lifestyle, which is a better place to bring up kids, better education etc. etc.
Also, my wife wants to do her Nurse Training - I know how expensive / hard it is in OZ, anyone know about doing it in NZ?
Weather - North Island - like UK but milder in Winter, better in Summer?
and yes, everyone hates the Welsh but the Welsh!
I don't mean to interrupt here.....................
but, obviously I'm not from Oz or NZ so I don't think what they think of each other will affect me that much.
What I want to know is which has a better lifestyle, which is a better place to bring up kids, better education etc. etc.
Also, my wife wants to do her Nurse Training - I know how expensive / hard it is in OZ, anyone know about doing it in NZ?
Weather - North Island - like UK but milder in Winter, better in Summer?
and yes, everyone hates the Welsh but the Welsh!
Sorry for getting a bit sidetracked compared with what you were wanting - but that is what a forum is for is it not.
If I was talking to a group of people in a pub, the main theme of conversation might be the lifestyles in NZ and Australia, but we would talk about a lot else besides during the course of an evening - which would a) make the converstaion more interesting to more people, b) attract other people into the conversation, and c) probably over the long run help get the info out that you require. Why should this forum be any different?
And in my defence the relationship between kiwis and Aussies probably provides a crucial insight into the biggest factor in your lifestyle decision - the people themselves. People on this site focus on jobs, beaches, weather, vermin and many other things - but are not people the most important facet of a country. Unless you intend to live in the a monastery maybe?
Enough theorising.
I'm a kiwi who has never lived in Australia, so please factor that in. I would agree with several points made already on lifestyle
eg. in NZ, compared to Oz:
the weather is generally milder
it is a smaller country (physically)
scenery is a bit more accessible
economically smaller - smaller markets, smaller range of specialised jobs
a bit more like England, whereas Oz is a bit American
the Maori/Polynesian influence vs Aboriginal
Otherwise both countries and their people have more similarities than differences really. They are closer alike than say UK and America (struggling to think of another country that is nominally similar to UK - America probably fills this role??)
Both countries are as parochial as each other (as discussed in earlier post).
ps not sure what you mean by 'better in summer'. If you mean hotter, then yes North Island weather is normally hotter than UKs in summer. It is probably more 'pleasant' too most of the time - eg. clean air, and blue skys predominate. But I for one find Auckland can get too muggy for my personal taste.
Hope the above is for useful for your purposes than my previous post.
Aug 27th 2003, 12:02 am
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cheers mate.
I appreciate that a forum is place of discussion, it's cool hence the smiley face at the end of my first line about interrupting!
my point still stands though in that although I want to know what people in the 2 countries are like -
their attitude towards each other is not really relevant to me,
their attitude to Brits (i.e. me) is what's relevant to me
thanks for the weather info etc. though - I think you summed it up perfectly - it's kinda like NZ - OZ is the same as UK - USA.
I appreciate that a forum is place of discussion, it's cool hence the smiley face at the end of my first line about interrupting!
my point still stands though in that although I want to know what people in the 2 countries are like -
their attitude towards each other is not really relevant to me,
their attitude to Brits (i.e. me) is what's relevant to me
thanks for the weather info etc. though - I think you summed it up perfectly - it's kinda like NZ - OZ is the same as UK - USA.
Originally posted by southerner
Sorry for getting a bit sidetracked compared with what you were wanting - but that is what a forum is for is it not.
If I was talking to a group of people in a pub, the main theme of conversation might be the lifestyles in NZ and Australia, but we would talk about a lot else besides during the course of an evening - which would a) make the converstaion more interesting to more people, b) attract other people into the conversation, and c) probably over the long run help get the info out that you require. Why should this forum be any different?
And in my defence the relationship between kiwis and Aussies probably provides a crucial insight into the biggest factor in your lifestyle decision - the people themselves. People on this site focus on jobs, beaches, weather, vermin and many other things - but are not people the most important facet of a country. Unless you intend to live in the a monastery maybe?
Enough theorising.
I'm a kiwi who has never lived in Australia, so please factor that in. I would agree with several points made already on lifestyle
eg. in NZ, compared to Oz:
the weather is generally milder
it is a smaller country (physically)
scenery is a bit more accessible
economically smaller - smaller markets, smaller range of specialised jobs
a bit more like England, whereas Oz is a bit American
the Maori/Polynesian influence vs Aboriginal
Otherwise both countries and their people have more similarities than differences really. They are closer alike than say UK and America (struggling to think of another country that is nominally similar to UK - America probably fills this role??)
Both countries are as parochial as each other (as discussed in earlier post).
ps not sure what you mean by 'better in summer'. If you mean hotter, then yes North Island weather is normally hotter than UKs in summer. It is probably more 'pleasant' too most of the time - eg. clean air, and blue skys predominate. But I for one find Auckland can get too muggy for my personal taste.
Hope the above is for useful for your purposes than my previous post.
Sorry for getting a bit sidetracked compared with what you were wanting - but that is what a forum is for is it not.
If I was talking to a group of people in a pub, the main theme of conversation might be the lifestyles in NZ and Australia, but we would talk about a lot else besides during the course of an evening - which would a) make the converstaion more interesting to more people, b) attract other people into the conversation, and c) probably over the long run help get the info out that you require. Why should this forum be any different?
And in my defence the relationship between kiwis and Aussies probably provides a crucial insight into the biggest factor in your lifestyle decision - the people themselves. People on this site focus on jobs, beaches, weather, vermin and many other things - but are not people the most important facet of a country. Unless you intend to live in the a monastery maybe?
Enough theorising.
I'm a kiwi who has never lived in Australia, so please factor that in. I would agree with several points made already on lifestyle
eg. in NZ, compared to Oz:
the weather is generally milder
it is a smaller country (physically)
scenery is a bit more accessible
economically smaller - smaller markets, smaller range of specialised jobs
a bit more like England, whereas Oz is a bit American
the Maori/Polynesian influence vs Aboriginal
Otherwise both countries and their people have more similarities than differences really. They are closer alike than say UK and America (struggling to think of another country that is nominally similar to UK - America probably fills this role??)
Both countries are as parochial as each other (as discussed in earlier post).
ps not sure what you mean by 'better in summer'. If you mean hotter, then yes North Island weather is normally hotter than UKs in summer. It is probably more 'pleasant' too most of the time - eg. clean air, and blue skys predominate. But I for one find Auckland can get too muggy for my personal taste.
Hope the above is for useful for your purposes than my previous post.
Aug 27th 2003, 12:08 am
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Originally posted by MeganEkno
It is not belittling. That is where I disagree. We are getting more than our fair share of ribbing at the moment about the Wallabies -and rightfully so. It is all a bit of fun, it is usually more than ever about sport.
The only time I have ever felt a need to really belittle NZ was when Helen Clark ran with the Olympic Torch the wrong way around and it went out!!!
It is not belittling. That is where I disagree. We are getting more than our fair share of ribbing at the moment about the Wallabies -and rightfully so. It is all a bit of fun, it is usually more than ever about sport.
The only time I have ever felt a need to really belittle NZ was when Helen Clark ran with the Olympic Torch the wrong way around and it went out!!!
The belittling I was referring to are the sort of comments that Dotty was referring to above.
-"Aussies have a very superior attitude to NZ bit like London V Birmingham, I find them quite rude about it."
And yes, most times it is meant in fun, and most times it is taken in fun. But not always!!!
You must admit, Australians don't always come across as the most sensitive of people, so maybe they don't know the impact of what they say. But then I admit, neither do kiwis.
Big brother, little brother is still how I would describe the relationship. And little brothers often try to emulate their older brother, who in turn love to put them down. Its a fact of life. If I had a choice I would rather be the big brother in a relationship (actually I am in my family), but still I'm glad I'm a kiwi, not Australian.
If it makes you feel any better, if I was not a kiwi then I probably would want to be an Aussie (just ahead of being a Pom). Sorry Ceri!
And sorry Cadman!! Done it again haven't I. But hopefully you will have learnt something you did not know.
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Aug 27th 2003, 1:06 am
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Originally posted by southerner
The belittling I was referring to are the sort of comments that Dotty was referring to above.
-"Aussies have a very superior attitude to NZ bit like London V Birmingham, I find them quite rude about it."
And yes, most times it is meant in fun, and most times it is taken in fun. But not always!!!
You must admit, Australians don't always come across as the most sensitive of people, so maybe they don't know the impact of what they say. But then I admit, neither do kiwis.
Big brother, little brother is still how I would describe the relationship. And little brothers often try to emulate their older brother, who in turn love to put them down. Its a fact of life. If I had a choice I would rather be the big brother in a relationship (actually I am in my family), but still I'm glad I'm a kiwi, not Australian.
If it makes you feel any better, if I was not a kiwi then I probably would want to be an Aussie (just ahead of being a Pom). Sorry Ceri!
And sorry Cadman!! Done it again haven't I. But hopefully you will have learnt something you did not know.
The belittling I was referring to are the sort of comments that Dotty was referring to above.
-"Aussies have a very superior attitude to NZ bit like London V Birmingham, I find them quite rude about it."
And yes, most times it is meant in fun, and most times it is taken in fun. But not always!!!
You must admit, Australians don't always come across as the most sensitive of people, so maybe they don't know the impact of what they say. But then I admit, neither do kiwis.
Big brother, little brother is still how I would describe the relationship. And little brothers often try to emulate their older brother, who in turn love to put them down. Its a fact of life. If I had a choice I would rather be the big brother in a relationship (actually I am in my family), but still I'm glad I'm a kiwi, not Australian.
If it makes you feel any better, if I was not a kiwi then I probably would want to be an Aussie (just ahead of being a Pom). Sorry Ceri!
And sorry Cadman!! Done it again haven't I. But hopefully you will have learnt something you did not know.
If you have read some of my past posts you will realise that I disagree with almost all of Dotty's comments. I think she has a tendancy to exaggerate on most points and hates Australians generally more than the Kiwis!!!
I have two older brothers (I am the youngest of three). I wouldn't swap them for the world!
Aussies, in general, like the Kiwis (regardless of what you think). I can't make a whole entire race tone it down but do take on board what you say and will try and limit my own comments in future. On the other side, please try and not take everything said seriously - 9 times out of 10 it will be in jest!
Megan
Aug 27th 2003, 1:29 am
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Megan
Absolutely agree, and am totally chilled. Still, I must admit to liking a serious debate on occasion, stimulates the old neurons.
You must fall about with a laughter at all the taunts you Aussies get on this forum every day!
Absolutely agree, and am totally chilled. Still, I must admit to liking a serious debate on occasion, stimulates the old neurons.
You must fall about with a laughter at all the taunts you Aussies get on this forum every day!
Aug 27th 2003, 1:53 am
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Would not wish to denigrate Australia which is ideal for some but I chose NZ due to the seasons, landscape, lack of nasties for the dog, and availability of outdoor pursuits. Oz bit too Yankee for my tastes and Kiwis less anti-Pom.
As for:
Nurse training in Oz requires a University Degree ranging from 3 to 4 years. I think that there is the same requirement in NZ (?). It is not like the UK where you just go onto the ward to get your training. !!!
Nurse training in the UK is a University based course with significant amount of time in College. I think it is preferable to do it as a degree course as this is what you will need now if you want a significant career. De4pendant on the University good GCSEs or A levels are required.
NZ is a degree based Registration course. However there is a practical Enrollled Nurse training which the UK phased out over a decade ago.
Roger
As for:
Nurse training in Oz requires a University Degree ranging from 3 to 4 years. I think that there is the same requirement in NZ (?). It is not like the UK where you just go onto the ward to get your training. !!!
Nurse training in the UK is a University based course with significant amount of time in College. I think it is preferable to do it as a degree course as this is what you will need now if you want a significant career. De4pendant on the University good GCSEs or A levels are required.
NZ is a degree based Registration course. However there is a practical Enrollled Nurse training which the UK phased out over a decade ago.
Roger
Aug 27th 2003, 1:56 am
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Originally posted by Roger
Would not wish to denigrate Australia which is ideal for some but I chose NZ due to the seasons, landscape, lack of nasties for the dog, and availability of outdoor pursuits. Oz bit too Yankee for my tastes and Kiwis less anti-Pom.
As for:
Nurse training in Oz requires a University Degree ranging from 3 to 4 years. I think that there is the same requirement in NZ (?). It is not like the UK where you just go onto the ward to get your training. !!!
Nurse training in the UK is a University based course with significant amount of time in College. I think it is preferable to do it as a degree course as this is what you will need now if you want a significant career. De4pendant on the University good GCSEs or A levels are required.
NZ is a degree based Registration course. However there is a practical Enrollled Nurse training which the UK phased out over a decade ago.
Roger
Would not wish to denigrate Australia which is ideal for some but I chose NZ due to the seasons, landscape, lack of nasties for the dog, and availability of outdoor pursuits. Oz bit too Yankee for my tastes and Kiwis less anti-Pom.
As for:
Nurse training in Oz requires a University Degree ranging from 3 to 4 years. I think that there is the same requirement in NZ (?). It is not like the UK where you just go onto the ward to get your training. !!!
Nurse training in the UK is a University based course with significant amount of time in College. I think it is preferable to do it as a degree course as this is what you will need now if you want a significant career. De4pendant on the University good GCSEs or A levels are required.
NZ is a degree based Registration course. However there is a practical Enrollled Nurse training which the UK phased out over a decade ago.
Roger
Aug 27th 2003, 1:57 am
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Originally posted by jayr
According to NZ Census, in 1991 there were 22,923 Australians in NZ representing 0.68% of population. In 1996 there were 45,744 representing 1.68% of population, an increase of some 4500 each year.
According to NZ Census, in 1991 there were 22,923 Australians in NZ representing 0.68% of population. In 1996 there were 45,744 representing 1.68% of population, an increase of some 4500 each year.
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Aug 27th 2003, 1:59 am
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Originally posted by southerner
Megan
Absolutely agree, and am totally chilled. Still, I must admit to liking a serious debate on occasion, stimulates the old neurons.
You must fall about with a laughter at all the taunts you Aussies get on this forum every day!
Megan
Absolutely agree, and am totally chilled. Still, I must admit to liking a serious debate on occasion, stimulates the old neurons.
You must fall about with a laughter at all the taunts you Aussies get on this forum every day!
Aug 27th 2003, 7:45 am
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Ive lived in NZ most of my life and a yaer in aus. I travelled with an aussie for a year and a half on my overseas trip. Kiwis dont hate Aussies. but we are fiercely competitive when it comes to sports. We love to beat Aussie in Rugby and netball and any other sport we can even if its only scrabble. If we cant beat them we dont care who does as long as aussie dont win. We cheered when britain beat them at rugby recently. I mean we cheered almost like we would have if we' d won. So of couse theres alot of slagging off at aussie about sports. We feel they have a superiority complex that spills over from their sporting achievements in to other areas. and aussies will feel the same about Kiwis winning. Even one of our prime ministers said publicly that everytime a kiwi goes to aussie the IQ goes up over there. so the rivalry can get hot. But they are our neighbours and our closest kin. We are similar in most ways . We visit them more than anyone else. we go over and live there and are happy there. We even marry them! ha ha. Deep down we think Aussies are OK. I dont think we suffer from small country complex but we are proud when, as a small country we can whip the rest of the world at something. Alot of us have been overseas at some time or other too so wer'e not entirely isolated or ignorant.
Aug 27th 2003, 8:06 pm
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Originally posted by hamiltonnz
Ive lived in NZ most of my life and a yaer in aus. I travelled with an aussie for a year and a half on my overseas trip. Kiwis dont hate Aussies. but we are fiercely competitive when it comes to sports. We love to beat Aussie in Rugby and netball and any other sport we can even if its only scrabble. If we cant beat them we dont care who does as long as aussie dont win. We cheered when britain beat them at rugby recently. I mean we cheered almost like we would have if we' d won. So of couse theres alot of slagging off at aussie about sports. We feel they have a superiority complex that spills over from their sporting achievements in to other areas. and aussies will feel the same about Kiwis winning. Even one of our prime ministers said publicly that everytime a kiwi goes to aussie the IQ goes up over there. so the rivalry can get hot. But they are our neighbours and our closest kin. We are similar in most ways . We visit them more than anyone else. we go over and live there and are happy there. We even marry them! ha ha. Deep down we think Aussies are OK. I dont think we suffer from small country complex but we are proud when, as a small country we can whip the rest of the world at something. Alot of us have been overseas at some time or other too so wer'e not entirely isolated or ignorant.
Ive lived in NZ most of my life and a yaer in aus. I travelled with an aussie for a year and a half on my overseas trip. Kiwis dont hate Aussies. but we are fiercely competitive when it comes to sports. We love to beat Aussie in Rugby and netball and any other sport we can even if its only scrabble. If we cant beat them we dont care who does as long as aussie dont win. We cheered when britain beat them at rugby recently. I mean we cheered almost like we would have if we' d won. So of couse theres alot of slagging off at aussie about sports. We feel they have a superiority complex that spills over from their sporting achievements in to other areas. and aussies will feel the same about Kiwis winning. Even one of our prime ministers said publicly that everytime a kiwi goes to aussie the IQ goes up over there. so the rivalry can get hot. But they are our neighbours and our closest kin. We are similar in most ways . We visit them more than anyone else. we go over and live there and are happy there. We even marry them! ha ha. Deep down we think Aussies are OK. I dont think we suffer from small country complex but we are proud when, as a small country we can whip the rest of the world at something. Alot of us have been overseas at some time or other too so wer'e not entirely isolated or ignorant.
You express yourself well
Thanks
Megan
Aug 29th 2003, 7:41 am
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Re: NZ or OZ?
We lived for 2 years in Perth and moved to NZ in April this year, my personal opinion is definately NZ!
Perth does have a warmer climate and some beautiful beaches, but the old saying that it is isolated defintately felt true after a while. Also for us work was hard to find, it was definately not for lack of trying.
NZ on the other hand, has stunning scenery and definately feels better for us. Things have been nothing but positive, we have even bought a car on the basis of paying once our house sale goes through in a few weeks, you don't get that trusing nature just anywhere! We found jobs within a few weeks and feel more settled in the few months here than the whole time in Perth.
For me, also no contest, NZ!
Perth does have a warmer climate and some beautiful beaches, but the old saying that it is isolated defintately felt true after a while. Also for us work was hard to find, it was definately not for lack of trying.
NZ on the other hand, has stunning scenery and definately feels better for us. Things have been nothing but positive, we have even bought a car on the basis of paying once our house sale goes through in a few weeks, you don't get that trusing nature just anywhere! We found jobs within a few weeks and feel more settled in the few months here than the whole time in Perth.
For me, also no contest, NZ!
Aug 29th 2003, 10:41 am
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Re: NZ or OZ?
Originally posted by cadman
Well, having been agonising over where to go in Oz, I've now discovered that I could go to NZ on the back of our PR visas!
So, answers on a postcard, which would you pick Oz or NZ and why?
I have a cousin in Melbourne who is sponsoring us but I don't fancy MB - weather / house prices/ city/suburban life puts me off.
Sydney = too expensive
Perth or Brisbane then in Oz.
Now, NZ has always appealed - quiter way fo life, very green, hopefully a bit warmer than here, unspoilt. (tried to go there about 12 years ago before we had kids but din't have enough points).
What do you think?
Well, having been agonising over where to go in Oz, I've now discovered that I could go to NZ on the back of our PR visas!
So, answers on a postcard, which would you pick Oz or NZ and why?
I have a cousin in Melbourne who is sponsoring us but I don't fancy MB - weather / house prices/ city/suburban life puts me off.
Sydney = too expensive
Perth or Brisbane then in Oz.
Now, NZ has always appealed - quiter way fo life, very green, hopefully a bit warmer than here, unspoilt. (tried to go there about 12 years ago before we had kids but din't have enough points).
What do you think?
Anna.
Aug 29th 2003, 4:53 pm
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If NZ is so much better than Perth or other popular Aus places why hasnt the word got out and a mass migration from Oz ensuing? If NZ is better why dont most Poms come here. why are Aussies over here such a small % of the NZ population It appears to me that there are much more Poms going to Oz than NZ, even though its easier to get into NZ. I need help(my wife tells me that anyway) to get to the bottom of this.
Aug 29th 2003, 5:01 pm
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Originally posted by hamiltonnz
If NZ is so much better than Perth or other popular Aus places why hasnt the word got out and a mass migration from Oz ensuing? If NZ is better why dont most Poms come here. why are Aussies over here such a small % of the NZ population It appears to me that there are much more Poms going to Oz than NZ, even though its easier to get into NZ. I need help(my wife tells me that anyway) to get to the bottom of this.
If NZ is so much better than Perth or other popular Aus places why hasnt the word got out and a mass migration from Oz ensuing? If NZ is better why dont most Poms come here. why are Aussies over here such a small % of the NZ population It appears to me that there are much more Poms going to Oz than NZ, even though its easier to get into NZ. I need help(my wife tells me that anyway) to get to the bottom of this.
Average GDP per capita is about 60% higher in Aus compared to NZ.
