Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
#107
Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
I am not getting snappy at all. I can understand that it isn't for everyone. However I do get cross when people pass off their own experiences (which can't be argued with) as that is how it is for everyone. Lots of people come over and CAN afford the things you can't. My husbands wages aren't lower here, our rent was lower here, my other bills are cheaper here and my shopping, although still higher priced than when I arrived, is still cheaper than it would be in the UK. There are plenty of folk on this board that want to go home I know that but there are twice as many who are happy and settled.
#108
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Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
I've lived in several cities in Oz (and while my daughters, both early 20s, had no probs finding friends from the opposite sex) I found the Aussies superficially friendly but quite insular. The image you get from Australian sportsmen on telly of these genial, laid-back. easy-going guys seems a bit misleading in respect of reflecting the pop'n at large.
Whilst I prefer Oz as a country to NZ, I must say that overall the Kiwi natives were a lot more welcoming and friendly than the Ozzies, happier to pass the time of day with you in pubs and shops. I seem to recall that even in Oz the rapport I built up with people there tended to be the many Kiwis who had emigrated there.
I think the Kiwis prefer us to the Australians as well.
Whilst I prefer Oz as a country to NZ, I must say that overall the Kiwi natives were a lot more welcoming and friendly than the Ozzies, happier to pass the time of day with you in pubs and shops. I seem to recall that even in Oz the rapport I built up with people there tended to be the many Kiwis who had emigrated there.
I think the Kiwis prefer us to the Australians as well.
#110
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Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
Whilst we've touched on Kiwis, in my experience the Kiwis are very pro Kiwi both inside and outside of New Zealand. They do like British people in preference to Aussies, as I think Brits are more reserved and less rough around the edges - that's how they perceive Aussies, I think. I was on a boat in Auckland harbour recently and the captain pointed out a large piece of engineering on the docks that was manufactured in Australia - and refined in New Zealand - 'like alot of what comes over here from there', he added.
Maoris are perfectly integrated into society. Aborigines are not. That says alot about the two countries.
Personally, I find Kiwis a very friendly bunch of people, proud of their nation and happy in their lives. Aussies are different to Kiwis. But both are easy to talk to and happy to offer advice on all matters. Without a formal 'position' in life based on what you do for a job, it's much easier to live in Australia and New Zealand than it is in the UK, in that respect.
Paul.
Maoris are perfectly integrated into society. Aborigines are not. That says alot about the two countries.
Personally, I find Kiwis a very friendly bunch of people, proud of their nation and happy in their lives. Aussies are different to Kiwis. But both are easy to talk to and happy to offer advice on all matters. Without a formal 'position' in life based on what you do for a job, it's much easier to live in Australia and New Zealand than it is in the UK, in that respect.
Paul.
#111
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Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
I am genuinely glad for people who are happy here and things have worked out, a couple we know have had an incredible piece of luck since coming here, and i couldn't be happier for them. i dont blame australia for any of our diffiuclties (financial and emotional), this could have happened back in the u.k, but i feel i would cope better with it all back in the u.k.
As i said nothing would give me greater pleasure to **** off back, so to all the aussies and brits with this car sticker, i will do my best to oblige and i hope the ones who have adopted this car bumper sticker moral can continue to be happy with their superior, settled attitude.
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#112
Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
much as i would like to **** off back to where i came from, it aint always that simple
I am genuinely glad for people who are happy here and things have worked out, a couple we know have had an incredible piece of luck since coming here, and i couldn't be happier for them. i dont blame australia for any of our diffiuclties (financial and emotional), this could have happened back in the u.k, but i feel i would cope better with it all back in the u.k.
As i said nothing would give me greater pleasure to **** off back, so to all the aussies and brits with this car sticker, i will do my best to oblige and i hope the ones who have adopted this car bumper sticker moral can continue to be happy with their superior, settled attitude.
I am genuinely glad for people who are happy here and things have worked out, a couple we know have had an incredible piece of luck since coming here, and i couldn't be happier for them. i dont blame australia for any of our diffiuclties (financial and emotional), this could have happened back in the u.k, but i feel i would cope better with it all back in the u.k.
As i said nothing would give me greater pleasure to **** off back, so to all the aussies and brits with this car sticker, i will do my best to oblige and i hope the ones who have adopted this car bumper sticker moral can continue to be happy with their superior, settled attitude.
#113
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#114
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#115
Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
much as i would like to **** off back to where i came from, it aint always that simple
As i said nothing would give me greater pleasure to **** off back, so to all the aussies and brits with this car sticker, i will do my best to oblige and i hope the ones who have adopted this car bumper sticker moral can continue to be happy with their superior, settled attitude.
As i said nothing would give me greater pleasure to **** off back, so to all the aussies and brits with this car sticker, i will do my best to oblige and i hope the ones who have adopted this car bumper sticker moral can continue to be happy with their superior, settled attitude.
Didn't you know gals, according to this current thread it's all about "attitude" and being in a low paid job
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=542822
#116
Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
Didn't you know gals, according to this current thread it's all about "attitude" and being in a low paid job
http://britishexpats.com/forum/showthread.php?t=542822
Low paid - no
Blue collar - no
Attitude? -if that means being brainwashed into thinking this is Utopia then no.
#117
Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
I'm low paid, but not blue collar. I'm not brainwahsed into thinking anyplace is Utopia but I have adopted a positive attitude toward my situation. I could neither afford to move on nor would my spouse want to. Do I spend my life complaining or do I accept that things are not always the way had planned or hoped. Really, what good would it do me or anyone else if I wallowed in my misfortunes?
#118
Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
My sentiments exactly! Seems there's more than a shred of elitism being bandied about that thread.
#119
Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
I feel that unhappy people sometimes do not want to take responsibility for their situations.....
Where you are in the world, or indeed your life, is a result of your own choices. Nobody put you on a prison ship and sent you to Australia. Nobody except yourself is keeping you where you are unhappy against your will
If you truly, truly wanted to move back, then you would find a way and make the necessary sacrifices to seek your own happiness.
You are where you are because you choose to be there. No other reason.... Despite the excuses that you may present to yourself....
Where you are in the world, or indeed your life, is a result of your own choices. Nobody put you on a prison ship and sent you to Australia. Nobody except yourself is keeping you where you are unhappy against your will
If you truly, truly wanted to move back, then you would find a way and make the necessary sacrifices to seek your own happiness.
You are where you are because you choose to be there. No other reason.... Despite the excuses that you may present to yourself....
#120
Re: Not welcome / Not belonging feeling
[QUOTE=alipally;6465921]I feel that unhappy people sometimes do not want to take responsibility for their situations.....
Where you are in the world, or indeed your life, is a result of your own choices. Nobody put you on a prison ship and sent you to Australia. Nobody except yourself is keeping you where you are unhappy against your will
If you truly, truly wanted to move back, then you would find a way and make the necessary sacrifices to seek your own happiness.
You are where you are because you choose to be there. No other reason.... Despite the excuses that you may present to yourself....[/QUOTE]
Um, actually no, I disagree. I am here because legally I cannot leave unless I want to leave my children behind (due to Aussie ex husband). Not exactly me chosing to be here is it?!
And believe me I have tried everything possible to be able to leave, but it ain't gonna happen until I either (a) abduct them which I would not do or (b) wait until they are adults .... oh well, youngest is 9 - only another 8-9 years.
PS - I'd love to know what possible excuses I am presenting to myself!
Where you are in the world, or indeed your life, is a result of your own choices. Nobody put you on a prison ship and sent you to Australia. Nobody except yourself is keeping you where you are unhappy against your will
If you truly, truly wanted to move back, then you would find a way and make the necessary sacrifices to seek your own happiness.
You are where you are because you choose to be there. No other reason.... Despite the excuses that you may present to yourself....[/QUOTE]
Um, actually no, I disagree. I am here because legally I cannot leave unless I want to leave my children behind (due to Aussie ex husband). Not exactly me chosing to be here is it?!
And believe me I have tried everything possible to be able to leave, but it ain't gonna happen until I either (a) abduct them which I would not do or (b) wait until they are adults .... oh well, youngest is 9 - only another 8-9 years.
PS - I'd love to know what possible excuses I am presenting to myself!
Last edited by rabsody; Jun 14th 2008 at 9:45 am.