Go Back  British Expats > Living & Moving Abroad > Australia
Reload this Page >

NHS Pensions should I transfer

NHS Pensions should I transfer

Thread Tools
 
Old May 15th 2008, 10:20 am
  #1  
BE Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
fa kin su pa's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Location: Sunshine Coast
Posts: 305
fa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nice
Default NHS Pensions should I transfer

I can find a lot of threads on pensions but not much information on NHS pensions. The little information I can find appears to say keep it in the UK as you will get more return, however, it then says that if I die I loose loads in tax Does that mean if I do transfer it to oz and I die my wife and kids get it all. If this is the case please don't tell my wife or kids

Any help, advise or info on NHS pensions would be great thanks
fa kin su pa is offline  
Old May 15th 2008, 10:29 am
  #2  
 
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 229
oliver1982 is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by fa kin su pa
I can find a lot of threads on pensions but not much information on NHS pensions. The little information I can find appears to say keep it in the UK as you will get more return, however, it then says that if I die I loose loads in tax Does that mean if I do transfer it to oz and I die my wife and kids get it all. If this is the case please don't tell my wife or kids

Any help, advise or info on NHS pensions would be great thanks
I'd say keep it in the UK. BUT at the end of the day, it's illegal to offer advice when you're not appropriately qualified. Because financial advice is a similar to politics, in the sense that lots of people think they know what they're on about but at the end of the day they don't, as there's too much to take in to account !!! Best off speaking to a pro (I'm only partly qualified).
oliver1982 is offline  
Old May 15th 2008, 10:35 am
  #3  
Devil's Advocate
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Mandurah
Posts: 2,269
EvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by fa kin su pa
I can find a lot of threads on pensions but not much information on NHS pensions. The little information I can find appears to say keep it in the UK as you will get more return, however, it then says that if I die I loose loads in tax Does that mean if I do transfer it to oz and I die my wife and kids get it all. If this is the case please don't tell my wife or kids

Any help, advise or info on NHS pensions would be great thanks
Its a very complex question and each case is different. Simple answer is get professional advice. It will probably cost but small fry compared with whats at stake.

Defined benefit pensions cannot simply be compared her and there. Mine was not worth moving (prof advice) however my nephews were. Different age, pensions scheme etc
EvannTel is offline  
Old May 15th 2008, 10:38 am
  #4  
BE Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
fa kin su pa's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Location: Sunshine Coast
Posts: 305
fa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nice
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by EvannTel
Its a very complex question and each case is different. Simple answer is get professional advice. It will probably cost but small fry compared with whats at stake.

Defined benefit pensions cannot simply be compared her and there. Mine was not worth moving (prof advice) however my nephews were. Different age, pensions scheme etc
I know this might sound stupid but where do you get advice from is it any old finical adviser or are the specialists?
fa kin su pa is offline  
Old May 15th 2008, 10:45 am
  #5  
Devil's Advocate
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Mandurah
Posts: 2,269
EvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by fa kin su pa
I know this might sound stupid but where do you get advice from is it any old finical adviser or are the specialists?
There are specialists. They must know UK and Aus law reagrding tax and pensions. I used PrismExpat who I was more than happy with. Another search might reveal others people have used.
EvannTel is offline  
Old May 15th 2008, 12:02 pm
  #6  
Account Closed
 
Joined: Jul 2005
Posts: 1,693
mindblower is an unknown quantity at this point
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by EvannTel
There are specialists. They must know UK and Aus law reagrding tax and pensions. I used PrismExpat who I was more than happy with. Another search might reveal others people have used.
http://www.siddalls.net/Ourlocations...5/Default.aspx
mindblower is offline  
Old May 15th 2008, 12:20 pm
  #7  
BE Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
fa kin su pa's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Location: Sunshine Coast
Posts: 305
fa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nice
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by EvannTel
There are specialists. They must know UK and Aus law reagrding tax and pensions. I used PrismExpat who I was more than happy with. Another search might reveal others people have used.
Thanks very much any idea what it roughly cost?
fa kin su pa is offline  
Old May 15th 2008, 12:24 pm
  #8  
Devil's Advocate
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Mandurah
Posts: 2,269
EvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond reputeEvannTel has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by fa kin su pa
Thanks very much any idea what it roughly cost?
I think it was GBP150 for initial consult (covering background stuff but still useful) then another GBP450 for full actuarial evaluation and pension advice.
EvannTel is offline  
Old May 16th 2008, 3:49 am
  #9  
JAJ
Retired
 
JAJ's Avatar
 
Joined: Apr 2004
Posts: 34,649
JAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond reputeJAJ has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Consider what will happen (to the pension) if you transfer it and later on decide to return to the U.K. or live in a third country.
JAJ is offline  
Old May 16th 2008, 4:11 am
  #10  
BE Enthusiast
 
Joined: Jul 2006
Location: Cairns Queensland
Posts: 303
doje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of lightdoje6863 is a glorious beacon of light
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Hi, Ive just transferred mine over as we have no intention of returning to the UK. I have recieved excellant advicefrom my advisor, but be prepared for the huge deductions the NHS take off you. PM if you want more info.

Good luck,

donna
doje6863 is offline  
Old May 16th 2008, 11:24 am
  #11  
Forum Regular
 
Joined: Apr 2008
Location: where the day begins
Posts: 79
onceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to allonceinalifetime is a name known to all
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

We both have NHS pensions (20 yearsish), but have left them in the UK, at the moment mainly because we're still undecided on whether to stay or not. I have mental health officer status, and am not prepared to give that up just yet. The NHS pension is obviously a very good scheme, but looking at the figures the amount we would have been able to invest here (when the rate was 2.5) looked very tempting, and would have given a good return. That also depends on where you invest of course. Trouble is with having the choice of where to invest, is that you are then at the mercy of the person advising you. Bad advice could seriously mess things up when it comes to retirement time, whereas the NHS pension seems (and I may be being naive here) a safe bet.

As far as I understand it, if you transfer your pension over and then die your spouse gets the whole lot.

we got a pensions report from Montfort, and it was expensive (about 800quid for the two of us), but the conclusion it came to was don't transfer it until we were absolutely certain we were going to stay as once it's here there is no way of transferring it back.
onceinalifetime is offline  
Old May 16th 2008, 11:50 am
  #12  
BE Enthusiast
Thread Starter
 
fa kin su pa's Avatar
 
Joined: Sep 2007
Location: Sunshine Coast
Posts: 305
fa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nicefa kin su pa is just really nice
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by onceinalifetime
We both have NHS pensions (20 yearsish), but have left them in the UK, at the moment mainly because we're still undecided on whether to stay or not. I have mental health officer status, and am not prepared to give that up just yet. The NHS pension is obviously a very good scheme, but looking at the figures the amount we would have been able to invest here (when the rate was 2.5) looked very tempting, and would have given a good return. That also depends on where you invest of course. Trouble is with having the choice of where to invest, is that you are then at the mercy of the person advising you. Bad advice could seriously mess things up when it comes to retirement time, whereas the NHS pension seems (and I may be being naive here) a safe bet.

As far as I understand it, if you transfer your pension over and then die your spouse gets the whole lot.

we got a pensions report from Montfort, and it was expensive (about 800quid for the two of us), but the conclusion it came to was don't transfer it until we were absolutely certain we were going to stay as once it's here there is no way of transferring it back.
Thanks for your open reply. It's just so hard to know I understand tho that you need to transfer it within 6 months of moving into Oz or you loose loads I think what I want is a way of not loosing any what so ever and enjoying life when I retire
fa kin su pa is offline  
Old May 16th 2008, 12:09 pm
  #13  
The Brains
 
Joined: Oct 2005
Location: Dubai / Hervey Bay
Posts: 886
ray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to allray2gill is a name known to all
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by JAJ
Consider what will happen (to the pension) if you transfer it and later on decide to return to the U.K. or live in a third country.
Am I correct in thinking that once you transfer any pension it cannot be transfered back again at any time for any reason?
ray2gill is offline  
Old May 16th 2008, 12:45 pm
  #14  
In Perth & Loving it...
 
aus2be_OH's Avatar
 
Joined: Feb 2008
Location: Perth, Western Australia
Posts: 539
aus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud ofaus2be_OH has much to be proud of
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Good place to start looking for advice is Unbiased. Make sure you get an IFA who fully explains the Fees/Commissions option and enquire if your advisor is G60 qualified as this means they have the proper qualification to deal with pension transfers.

Darren
aus2be_OH is offline  
Old May 17th 2008, 12:57 am
  #15  
Migration Agent
 
Joined: May 2002
Location: Offices in Melbourne, Brisbane, Perth, Geelong (Australia), and Southampton (UK)
Posts: 6,459
Alan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond reputeAlan Collett has a reputation beyond repute
Default Re: NHS Pensions should I transfer

Originally Posted by fa kin su pa
Thanks for your open reply. It's just so hard to know I understand tho that you need to transfer it within 6 months of moving into Oz or you loose loads I think what I want is a way of not loosing any what so ever and enjoying life when I retire
As a general rule you don't "lose loads" if you transfer more than 6 months after moving to Australia. Only the increase in the value of the fund is taxable, and that sum is usually taxed as income of the Australian superannuation fund that receives the pension benefits from the UK. This is taxed at 15%.

Remember that transferred benefits can be accessed tax free in Australia at age 60.

By contrast pension income from the UK would most probably be taxable in Australia if you are tax resident there at the time.

Best regards.
Alan Collett is offline  


Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Terms of Service -

Copyright © 2024 MH Sub I, LLC dba Internet Brands. All rights reserved. Use of this site indicates your consent to the Terms of Use.