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Old Feb 4th 2006, 7:14 pm
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This was initially a reply on another thread, a friend suggested I should post it again under a totally new thread, so here goes.


I have been accepted by the TRA as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (Avionics) 4114-15, Lynn has also been accepted as a Hairdresser (MODL). We have received our visas.

I have experience in the Logistics side of the aircraft industry also.

I'll have to re-certify like other trades, I don't have a problem with that, that's life! What does get my goat is of all the jobs that I have seen advertised within the aircraft industry, ranging from Aircraft Maintenance Engineers, Industry Logistics etc..even relief receptionist, a very high percentage state:

"Australian Citizenship is a key requirement for this position" This I assume is a security issue.

Ok, this'll take 3 years and in which time I can concentrate on conversion to Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority standards. I have coresponded via e-mail about conversion as they have a conversion course for their ex military. I received a reply which read,

"Your email is acknowledged and I will respond further in the near future."


Not heard a dicky bird. I have since sent a polite reminder, still no reply.

Reading between the lines, is this a Union thing? It just makes me laugh how Australia is supposedly short of trades yet...
It appears they are short as they are actively selling college courses to train as an AME.

A friend has experienced the same as me and has written to his MP about the apparent shortfall in this area yet the red tape, he hasn't had any feedback as yet.

I have researched and applied for a few jobs that have not stated the Citizenship requirement, it'll also hopefully be easier when in Oz and the CV shows a local address, maybe not.

This isn't my only employment route as I have re-trained in other fields.

Is anyone else in a similar position?

Rich
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Originally Posted by rossifumi
This was initially a reply on another thread, a friend suggested I should post it again under a totally new thread, so here goes.


I have been accepted by the TRA as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (Avionics) 4114-15, Lynn has also been accepted as a Hairdresser (MODL). We have received our visas.

I have experience in the Logistics side of the aircraft industry also.

I'll have to re-certify like other trades, I don't have a problem with that, that's life! What does get my goat is of all the jobs that I have seen advertised within the aircraft industry, ranging from Aircraft Maintenance Engineers, Industry Logistics etc..even relief receptionist, a very high percentage state:

"Australian Citizenship is a key requirement for this position" This I assume is a security issue.

Ok, this'll take 3 years and in which time I can concentrate on conversion to Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority standards. I have coresponded via e-mail about conversion as they have a conversion course for their ex military. I received a reply which read,

"Your email is acknowledged and I will respond further in the near future."


Not heard a dicky bird. I have since sent a polite reminder, still no reply.

Reading between the lines, is this a Union thing? It just makes me laugh how Australia is supposedly short of trades yet...
It appears they are short as they are actively selling college courses to train as an AME.

A friend has experienced the same as me and has written to his MP about the apparent shortfall in this area yet the red tape, he hasn't had any feedback as yet.

I have researched and applied for a few jobs that have not stated the Citizenship requirement, it'll also hopefully be easier when in Oz and the CV shows a local address, maybe not.

This isn't my only employment route as I have re-trained in other fields.

Is anyone else in a similar position?

Rich
Good thread that Rich, hope someone replies
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Originally Posted by rossifumi
This was initially a reply on another thread, a friend suggested I should post it again under a totally new thread, so here goes.


I have been accepted by the TRA as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (Avionics) 4114-15, Lynn has also been accepted as a Hairdresser (MODL). We have received our visas.

I have experience in the Logistics side of the aircraft industry also.

I'll have to re-certify like other trades, I don't have a problem with that, that's life! What does get my goat is of all the jobs that I have seen advertised within the aircraft industry, ranging from Aircraft Maintenance Engineers, Industry Logistics etc..even relief receptionist, a very high percentage state:

"Australian Citizenship is a key requirement for this position" This I assume is a security issue.

Ok, this'll take 3 years and in which time I can concentrate on conversion to Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority standards. I have coresponded via e-mail about conversion as they have a conversion course for their ex military. I received a reply which read,

"Your email is acknowledged and I will respond further in the near future."


Not heard a dicky bird. I have since sent a polite reminder, still no reply.

Reading between the lines, is this a Union thing? It just makes me laugh how Australia is supposedly short of trades yet...
It appears they are short as they are actively selling college courses to train as an AME.

A friend has experienced the same as me and has written to his MP about the apparent shortfall in this area yet the red tape, he hasn't had any feedback as yet.

I have researched and applied for a few jobs that have not stated the Citizenship requirement, it'll also hopefully be easier when in Oz and the CV shows a local address, maybe not.

This isn't my only employment route as I have re-trained in other fields.

Is anyone else in a similar position?

Rich
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From your post you seem to not be in Australia yet. I think there have been a few threads about his generally in the past. When any company recruits its because usually there is an immediate need to employ. Why should anyone take the risk and hassle of employing a person not yet in the country. I realise that some fields are so specialised that this may happen but for others why select a person who is not yet in the country over people who can turn up for a physical interview at short notice.

As unfair as it may sound, as a former employer, I would have to take very much that stance. Its much like people in the UK trying to find rental accomodation, a real estate agent here isnt likely to consider it very serious until they are in the country and able to sign on the dotted line.

Just my thoughts, and best wishes in your search for employment.
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From your post you seem to not be in Australia yet. I think there have been a few threads about his generally in the past. When any company recruits its because usually there is an immediate need to employ. Why should anyone take the risk and hassle of employing a person not yet in the country. I realise that some fields are so specialised that this may happen but for others why select a person who is not yet in the country over people who can turn up for a physical interview at short notice.

As unfair as it may sound, as a former employer, I would have to take very much that stance. Its much like people in the UK trying to find rental accomodation, a real estate agent here isnt likely to consider it very serious until they are in the country and able to sign on the dotted line.

Just my thoughts, and best wishes in your search for employment.
Cheers mate for your reply.

I'll keep you posted as I have applied for 2 jobs where the closing date is 21/02/06 and have indicated that I will be in the country in March, who knows.

Onto rentals. I know exactly what you mean as I have e-mailed 15 real estate agents with our details and requirements, 5 have replied.
They are not interested, ho hum.
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Hi there,

TBH I'd still apply to the jobs that say they require Australian Citizenship and explain in the covering letter that you know it says that but were hoping that they'd consider applicants from UK seeing as we are allies etc (obviously put more professionally than that LOL!)

You might well find they "have" to say it would go to citizens only to stop applicatants from all over the world but in reality they can accept from countries like UK/US etc (Can you imaing how difficult to would be to write a job application that only immigrants from certain countries were allowed to reply - aside from the sheer length of the advertisements, there would be a Public Relations fall-out with non-accepted nationalities). its not going to hurt is it, after all they accept UK Soldiers into the Aus Army, so you never know!

Good luck!

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Originally Posted by rossifumi
This was initially a reply on another thread, a friend suggested I should post it again under a totally new thread, so here goes.


I have been accepted by the TRA as an Aircraft Maintenance Engineer (Avionics) 4114-15, Lynn has also been accepted as a Hairdresser (MODL). We have received our visas.

I have experience in the Logistics side of the aircraft industry also.

I'll have to re-certify like other trades, I don't have a problem with that, that's life! What does get my goat is of all the jobs that I have seen advertised within the aircraft industry, ranging from Aircraft Maintenance Engineers, Industry Logistics etc..even relief receptionist, a very high percentage state:

"Australian Citizenship is a key requirement for this position" This I assume is a security issue.

Ok, this'll take 3 years and in which time I can concentrate on conversion to Australian Civil Aviation Safety Authority standards. I have coresponded via e-mail about conversion as they have a conversion course for their ex military. I received a reply which read,

"Your email is acknowledged and I will respond further in the near future."


Not heard a dicky bird. I have since sent a polite reminder, still no reply.

Reading between the lines, is this a Union thing? It just makes me laugh how Australia is supposedly short of trades yet...
It appears they are short as they are actively selling college courses to train as an AME.

A friend has experienced the same as me and has written to his MP about the apparent shortfall in this area yet the red tape, he hasn't had any feedback as yet.

I have researched and applied for a few jobs that have not stated the Citizenship requirement, it'll also hopefully be easier when in Oz and the CV shows a local address, maybe not.

This isn't my only employment route as I have re-trained in other fields.

Is anyone else in a similar position?

Rich
Although its maybe not an answer I know how you feel.

Just lately there seem to be countless posts about different trade regs and so on.

As posted previously the whole thing seems a nightmare. Do these countries want people or not. I agree that people need to be qualified and maybe re-train to the given countries standards but the Australian system seems to have no regard for an applicants U.K skills other than he,she could undertake that position in the U.k and it gains them entry into Australia. From posts on here in real terms they count for nothing when applying for a job.

It is only satatistics but New Zealand appear to be DESPERATELY short of skilled people yet make the emmigration process extremely difficult. Fair enough that any country should be able to pick and choose who "comes in " but please dont moan when faced with a skills shortage and a slow down in general country growth.

Again too much beuracracy and expecting things to go their own way.

Maybe Australia is better off without me/my opinions but I am seriously begining to rethink the whole thing.
I have a stepbrother in Perth (18 years) and regularly ring him so I have a little "insider" knowledge. My comments are not just based on hearsay.
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Hi there,

TBH I'd still apply to the jobs that say they require Australian Citizenship and explain in the covering letter that you know it says that but were hoping that they'd consider applicants from UK seeing as we are allies etc (obviously put more professionally than that LOL!)

You might well find they "have" to say it would go to citizens only to stop applicatants from all over the world but in reality they can accept from countries like UK/US etc (Can you imaing how difficult to would be to write a job application that only immigrants from certain countries were allowed to reply - aside from the sheer length of the advertisements, there would be a Public Relations fall-out with non-accepted nationalities). its not going to hurt is it, after all they accept UK Soldiers into the Aus Army, so you never know!

Good luck!

Michelle
Hi Michelle

I have tried your way of thinking and have applied to 3 positions that stated "Australian Citizenship is a key requirement for this position", nothing to lose I thought.

I have telephoned the Human Resources departments concerned and their answers...

"Unfortunately this position is only open to..." as mentioned above.

You can read into this a few things. The resume wasn't up to scatch, lack of experience or whatever.

I'm not diswayed at this, this is a minor rant at one particular area of industry.



Cheers

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As posted previously the whole thing seems a nightmare. Do these countries want people or not. I agree that people need to be qualified and maybe re-train to the given countries standards but the Australian system seems to have no regard for an applicants U.K skills other than he,she could undertake that position in the U.k and it gains them entry into Australia. From posts on here in real terms they count for nothing when applying for a job.
As an Australian working in the UK, I can assure you that it's been exactly the same for me.

My work experience in Australia has counted for nothing. Every UK employer has assessed me purely on the basis ofwork I've done in the UK. I had a solid government job back home, but UK employers simply don't want to know. It's as if they just automatically skip two thirds of my CV.

So this is very much a two-way street; the Aussie govt does it to Brits working in Australia, and the British govt does it to Aussies working in Britain.

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Originally Posted by rossifumi
Hi Michelle

I have tried your way of thinking and have applied to 3 positions that stated "Australian Citizenship is a key requirement for this position", nothing to lose I thought.

I have telephoned the Human Resources departments concerned and their answers...

"Unfortunately this position is only open to..." as mentioned above.

You can read into this a few things. The resume wasn't up to scatch, lack of experience or whatever.

I'm not diswayed at this, this is a minor rant at one particular area of industry.

Cheers

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You could also read into it the fact that the job isn't open to people who are not Australian citizens.
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You could also read into it the fact that the job isn't open to people who are not Australian citizens.
I am sure your right Vash as you have first hand experience.

I suppose people will allways take on people from their own country and why not.
I personaly have worked with people from the U.K and Europe and generally the U.K workers are not as hard working as their European counterparts. This is what has made the U.K the worlds 5th largest economy, they took a large amount of people on from other countries in the fifties and sixties and the same generations of people today are doing the jobs a lot of "English" people will not do.
Many people will disagree and I do not like what has happened to the U.K but we got it right in some ways.

It is not anti Australian/ any other country but the world is multi-cultural and I just think that some countries need to look at where they want to be. Many U.K companies want to offer an exclusive customer friendly service but pay the staff crap wages and wonder why things dont work. I dont see the emmigration process any different.
It seems like hell to get into many of these countries and they only want the best people which is fair enough , but who is going to go through all that hassle to struggle to find a job at the end of it all - James
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Originally Posted by halcyon 52
I am sure your right Vash as you have first hand experience.

I suppose people will allways take on people from their own country and why not.
I personaly have worked with people from the U.K and Europe and generally the U.K workers are not as hard working as their European counterparts. This is what has made the U.K the worlds 5th largest economy, they took a large amount of people on from other countries in the fifties and sixties and the same generations of people today are doing the jobs a lot of "English" people will not do.
Many people will disagree and I do not like what has happened to the U.K but we got it right in some ways.

It is not anti Australian/ any other country but the world is multi-cultural and I just think that some countries need to look at where they want to be. Many U.K companies want to offer an exclusive customer friendly service but pay the staff crap wages and wonder why things dont work. I dont see the emmigration process any different.
It seems like hell to get into many of these countries and they only want the best people which is fair enough , but who is going to go through all that hassle to struggle to find a job at the end of it all - James
I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you in principle. But I don't believe that Australia is any more reluctant to employ immigrants than the UK.

This would, in fact, be impossible, seeing that Australia is a nation of immigrants; 25% of Australians were either born overseas, or born to parents who were born overseas. Not even the USA can claim such success; her percentage is a mere 11%.

The original poster mentioned that he applied for a certain job, knowing that it was limited to Australian citizens only. He assumes that this is for security reasons, and he is probably right; the post-9/11 world is understandably cautious about immigrants applying to work in the aircraft industry.

I don't believe this is any reflection on Australia's willingness to take on immigrant workers.
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I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you in principle. But I don't believe that Australia is any more reluctant to employ immigrants than the UK.

This would, in fact, be impossible, seeing that Australia is a nation of immigrants; 25% of Australians were either born overseas, or born to parents who were born overseas. Not even the USA can claim such success; her percentage is a mere 11%.

The original poster mentioned that he applied for a certain job, knowing that it was limited to Australian citizens only. He assumes that this is for security reasons, and he is probably right; the post-9/11 world is understandably cautious about immigrants applying to work in the aircraft industry.

I don't believe this is any reflection on Australia's willingness to take on immigrant workers.
I also think that some jobs are not open to anyone except Australian Citizens due to government contracts too which prohibit the contractor from using staff which are not vetted to the same standard as the governments own employees, which of course usually carry that some caveat.

Also I do think that whilst understandably some UK people are miffed that they have to retrain to meet Australian standards, I do consider that to be a good safeguard. The UK dont recognise most qualifications outside the UK and nobody can really expect different treatment here. Just because we are from the UK doesnt make us any better than anywhere else I reckon.
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I hear what you're saying, and I agree with you in principle. But I don't believe that Australia is any more reluctant to employ immigrants than the UK.

This would, in fact, be impossible, seeing that Australia is a nation of immigrants; 25% of Australians were either born overseas, or born to parents who were born overseas. Not even the USA can claim such success; her percentage is a mere 11%.

The original poster mentioned that he applied for a certain job, knowing that it was limited to Australian citizens only. He assumes that this is for security reasons, and he is probably right; the post-9/11 world is understandably cautious about immigrants applying to work in the aircraft industry.

I don't believe this is any reflection on Australia's willingness to take on immigrant workers.
I agree - good point.
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