Mercedes

[QUOTE=Vash the Stampede]Did Lees ever demonstrate in court the method she used to move her hands (bound behind her back) to her front?

Considering that she was blindfolded, at what point was she able to catch a glimpse of Murdoch's 4WD?

People have said that the natural movement of sand over the course of a few days could easily obscure tracks, etc. - but Lees' clear footprints were found at the scene, which proves that no such movement had occurred. The evidence had not been obscured or removed in any way.

So why was there no sign of Murdoch's footprints, or drag marks from Falconio's body, or any indication of a struggle, etc?Quote

Maybe she saw the 4wd before she was blindfolded, maybe they saw it as it approached the car? Why would she remain handcuffed if she could free herself. Alone on the Stuart Highway, female and potential victim of someone else? Isn't the Stuart Highway, tarmac? If someone is familar with an area they would know where to go to dump a body? Didn't Lee run off into the bush, so her tracks would be on the sand? If the boyfriend was killed on the tarmac and then thrown in the back of a pick up would it leave that many traces? Could he wash the blood away with water he had in the pickup, most people carry water in the outback. Maybe the cops on the scene were sloppy.

So what if the boyfriend owed money, what you think he faked his death or maybe still alive, why would he put his family through that over a few thousand measley dollars. Maybe the boyfriend was killed because Murdock wanted Lee, use her for sex for a few days and then murder her, she managed to escape, and maybe he didn't want to hang around in looking for her.

If I wanted to get rid of a boyfriend, I would dump him, however if I had murder tendicies, I would kill him, dump him somewhere off track. Go up to Darwin, tell my parents friends, we had had a bust up and gone our separate ways, and have no idea where he was. Happens all the time with travellers......and much easier than going through years of being in the media spotlight.

Vash the Stampede

She is supposed to have been blindfolded before she was taken to the car.

Moving your arms is one thing; freeing your hands is quite another. And she wasn't handcuffed; her hands were bound with cable ties. It makes sense for her to be found with her hands bound if this is important for her story.

Yes, they would know where to go to dump a body. But so would the local police - and yet, no body was found.

Her tracks were found on the sand. That's the whole point. But Murdoch's weren't - even though he allegedly spend a couple of hours looking for her.

Possibly, but you would need good light to know precisely where all the blood had gone - and if it was too dark for Murdoch to find Lees in the bushes, I doubt it was bright enough for him to track down every single trace of blood.

I am also curious to know how Lees was confident enough to fight off Murdoch's attemps to bind her legs, considering that (a) he had a gun, and (b) he had just used it to murder her boyfriend.

I don't know about you, but I tend to be pretty compliant when people start waving guns around, especially if they've just shot somebody.

I think they probably were, but they still managed to find Lees' footprints in the sand. So why not Murdoch's?

You're right, it's not a great deal of money - and I wouldn't fake my death to avoid it. But the fact remains that Falconio was keen to find a way out, and he did ask about ways to fake his own death. So clearly, he was sufficiently concerned about the debt to consider this possibility.

I think that's probably what happened. The only problem for me is the lack of evidence to support it.

I am not suggesting that Lees was complicit in her boyfriend's death.

Mercedes

Lets face if you're terrified, minutes can seem like hours, also in the bush there would be other sounds of animals moving around, maybe thats what she heard and thought it was Murdoch, he could have put the body in the car and driven off straight away. Any noise at that time would frighten her, and it would be bloody dark out there. (wasn't it at night).

Even if Falcanio had thought about faking his death, would you think a) he would put his family through this all this time, b) wouldn't she after all this attention, say hey guys, he's alive somewhere we were doing a tax dodge? She has apparently had to move 8 times because of media attention and has moved from being a Travel Agent to teaching people with learning disablities. Do you think someone would really go through all that?

Lewis Lapthorn

Obviously. She must have extracted the DNA from Murdoch in his sleep at some point prior to the incident, and smeared it on her shirt, before completing this motiveless act.

The fact that Murdoch raped a young child in front of her mother in S.A. does not mean he's capable of anything like this. I expect he's a bit of a sweety really.

(You shouldn't drink 4X in the sun).

mashy

[QUOTE=Lewis Lapthorn

The fact that Murdoch raped a young child in front of her mother in S.A. does not mean he's capable of anything like this. I expect he's a bit of a sweety really.

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Yeah, but that`s not what he was jailed for.

Greg, Michele and Bella

What an arsehole you are!!!

Try reading something a little more considered then such as this from the Sydney Morning Herald

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...703643601.html

Lewis Lapthorn

I know mate.

The mother who watched Murdoch rape her little girl at knife point must be feeling sorry for him now. With the far more serious conviction of Falconio's murder, through fabricated evidence, this good Australian guy deserves to be free, and Lees in jail.

Like Breezy says, the unfortunate affair is all due to a cunning pom, and an innocent man is now behind bars as a result.

Bradley, I'll be praying......

(......that an inmate gouges your eyes out and you die a very slow, painful death).

mashy

[QUOTE=Lewis Lapthorn]I know mate.

The mother who watched Murdoch rape her little girl at knife point must be feeling sorry for him now. With the far more serious conviction of Falconio's murder, through fabricated evidence, this good Australian guy deserves to be free, and Lees in jail.


Why are you twisting what has been written. Nobody has said that he is a decent law abiding citizen. Just that he may be innocent for this particular crime.

Lewis Lapthorn

[QUOTE=mashy] Don't think we need to get too stressed about things here mate. The thread was obviously started as a wind up. Either that or Breezey has special needs.

Just find it amusing how many people have actually been pulled along with the media driven 'conspiracy theory' bu!!sh!t. You have a crazed lunatic, capable of horrendous crimes as the chief suspect, who's DNA ends up on Lees's shirt.

Come on guys. This is real life, not Harry ****in Potter.

tiredwithtwins

http://www.smh.com.au/news/national/...703643601.html

interesting read.

Hutch

May I interject for a moment, please Miss Marple.

They were not cable ties, they were crude hand-made handcuffs 'made' from cable ties - a wholly different thing - they are also the same type as the ones they recovered from his van when they were investigating the rape of the child. The handmade handcuffs were also identified as being identical to the ones Mudoch's drug-running buddy Hepi saw him making back in 2000. She got out of them lubricating her wrists with lipbalm, the lid and tube for which were both found at the scene exactly as she'd described them.

WTF? It was the outback, not the fuching Arndale Centre in Luton. He could have dumped the body 200 metres from the bloody road and it would never have turned up.

Where is it alleged that he looked for her for a couple of hours? Don't recall that mentioned during the trial. The woman runs stark-bollock-scared into the bush as fast as her legs can carry her and hides out for five hours until she thinks it's safe. Murdoch (who let's remember is still out of his ****ing brain on amphetemines and booze) not exactly helped by the fact that it was a totally moon-less night, probably did a cursory search and then cut his losses and left the scene.

Not all gun-shots provoke copious amounts of blood - you only get that if you hit an artery and he used a pistol - not a shotgun. He could well have bled to death internally and produced little more than a blush of blood on the front of his shirt - something pointed out by a crime scene specialist interviewed during the trial.

He didn't tie her legs because he had one crude set of 'hand' cuffs and only a bit of tape for the legs. She said numerous times that she was more worried about being raped than murdered and struggled in the light of that. Not everyone gutlessly accepts their fate.

Your choice I guess. Not everyone wants to die like a pussy.

He owned. His own. Home.

What like the DNA, the handcuffs, the positive identifications and myriad other forms of evidence?

However, probably the most damning evidence against Murdoch is the abduction and rape of the child and her mother. Not only did this crime bear a huge number of similarities to the Falconio case, but during the crime, Murdoch spoke about the Falconio Murder. He said (unprompted mind you) "I didn't do that Falconio." He also said he was "tired of being on the run." - since he wasn't in the frame for the Falconio murder at that time, why even mention it?

According to the Independent, when they searched his van they found a high-powered .308 rifle with telescopic sight, Russian-made night vision goggles, almost 800 rounds of ammunition, a knife, a crossbow with 13 bolts, an electric cattle prod, chains and shackles similar to those used to bind the wrists of Miss Lees. They also discovered two long-handled shovels, a jockey whip and five pairs of disposable gloves. And in a hidden compartment in a spare fuel tank in the rear of the vehicle, officers found an empty box for a 9mm semi-automatic Glock pistol and a fully-loaded .38 Beretta semi-automatic pistol was found in a holster within a backpack between the van's front seats.

So yea, the guy's quite clearly innocent of the crime.

mr mover

Vince millar the Bulls transport road train driver,the first person to see lee,s after the incident has said "if she,s putting it on, then she deserves an oscar for that performance" vince is well known in Adelaide trucking circles and is not known for bending the truth.................... mm

bondipom

My theory is aliens did it in association with ASIO and the Wiggles.

sloake

bloody Wiggles.. I knew they looked a bit too innocent...

spalen

If it was the wiggles they would have murdered Lees and held Falconio as the sex slave