Mumps vaccine
May 2nd 2006, 10:16 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
Do it properly or don't do it at all. Where is the evidence for the single jabs? To my knowledge (as it stood 18 months ago), there have been no studies showing the efficacy of single jabs to replace MMR.
Who are you to tell me to "do it properly or not at all". As far as I'm concerned I'm doing it properly - she's my child and I'll chose.
Lemmings jump off cliffs "properly" every year.
PS - How does a doctor commit suicide - jumps from his ego to his IQ
May 2nd 2006, 10:21 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Children are at greater risk of acquiring the diseases while they are waiting for the whole kit and caboodle of however many individual jabs are required (is it 12 if you go for a single jab?) eek - thats a lot of shots.
Not very informed are you?
BTW as long as my child is immumised (whichever way I chose) it's absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.
Not very informed are you?
BTW as long as my child is immumised (whichever way I chose) it's absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.
May 2nd 2006, 10:46 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
Sorry - too busy to go thru all the points at the moment. Exams looming.
Basic problem with final point you make (not problem with you, but with science) is that it is very difficult, almost impossible to prove a negative. All that can be said is that "there is no evidence to indicate eg X causes Y". The other, second problem was that a semi-fruitloop came up with an off-the-wall-idea. Thats great - we need ideas like that. But the whole "paper" was flawed (I say "paper" because Wakefield only published the first few ideas and didnt intend for it to be a proper paper.) I reckon farting causes aids. after all, everyone who has aids farts.....the science in Wakefield's paper is literally that flawed.
Basic problem with final point you make (not problem with you, but with science) is that it is very difficult, almost impossible to prove a negative. All that can be said is that "there is no evidence to indicate eg X causes Y". The other, second problem was that a semi-fruitloop came up with an off-the-wall-idea. Thats great - we need ideas like that. But the whole "paper" was flawed (I say "paper" because Wakefield only published the first few ideas and didnt intend for it to be a proper paper.) I reckon farting causes aids. after all, everyone who has aids farts.....the science in Wakefield's paper is literally that flawed.
Agreed 'it is very difficult, almost impossible to prove a negative'.
However because you have 'no evidence to indicate eg X causes Y' doesn't mean 'X doesn't cause Y'.
May 2nd 2006, 11:34 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
Do it properly or don't do it at all. Where is the evidence for the single jabs? To my knowledge (as it stood 18 months ago), there have been no studies showing the efficacy of single jabs to replace MMR.
Doesn't this also cause a conundrum because the efficacy of MMR has been assumed (and not tested properly) based on the assumption that it must be okay because the single vaccines have been previously tested! (This type of assumption would be considered seriously bad practice in other industries like, computer programming, car manufacturing, civil engineering, etc...)
May 2nd 2006, 11:48 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Either answer the original question or say you don't know. It is too much of an emotive argument to start up. OP wasn't asking whether to give MMR or singly, she was asking if anyone knew where she could access the drug in question.
It is no one else's business whether she gives a multi shot or singular.
I had no issues with MMR, she obviously does, my right, her right. Don't start this one up again please. There'll be tears before bedtime
It is no one else's business whether she gives a multi shot or singular.
I had no issues with MMR, she obviously does, my right, her right. Don't start this one up again please. There'll be tears before bedtime
May 3rd 2006, 4:09 am
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by Ozzidoc
I agree - freedom to choose. As long as there is evidence upon which the patient/parent can make an INFORMED choice. I just ask, where is the evidence. I am studying to be a doctor. I am yet to come across any robust, scientific evidence to prove that it works as well as MMR and is licensed for such use. (Think that Japan tried it and stopped it, autism rates were no different, don't know about infection risk changes) Children are at greater risk of acquiring the diseases while they are waiting for the whole kit and caboodle of however many individual jabs are required (is it 12 if you go for a single jab?) eek - thats a lot of shots. Jabs are not 100% effective - usually 90-95%....speaking from personal measles experience.
May 3rd 2006, 5:12 am
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by geordiegirl2
As of a year ago the japanese were still using the single vaccines and were still seeing significant deaths from measles.
May 3rd 2006, 1:50 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by Bella Donna
Do you have a source for this please?
May 3rd 2006, 1:54 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by MartinLuther
You seem to be unaware that the single jabs were around prior to the introduction of MMR. If not then, as MMR replaced the previous use of single jabs, are you saying that the single jabs did not work previously and need to be retested since the introduction of MMR
Doesn't this also cause a conundrum because the efficacy of MMR has been assumed (and not tested properly) based on the assumption that it must be okay because the single vaccines have been previously tested! (This type of assumption would be considered seriously bad practice in other industries like, computer programming, car manufacturing, civil engineering, etc...)
Doesn't this also cause a conundrum because the efficacy of MMR has been assumed (and not tested properly) based on the assumption that it must be okay because the single vaccines have been previously tested! (This type of assumption would be considered seriously bad practice in other industries like, computer programming, car manufacturing, civil engineering, etc...)
There was no rise in Autism after its introduction, IMO the rise is due to better diagnostics and heightened awareness.
May 3rd 2006, 1:58 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by geordiegirl2
I can certainly look it out, its still in a packing box, I did a health visitor job back home so had all the info, haven't really kept up to date since we left.
Thanks.
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May 3rd 2006, 4:47 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by Foster Clan
Children are at greater risk of acquiring the diseases while they are waiting for the whole kit and caboodle of however many individual jabs are required (is it 12 if you go for a single jab?) eek - thats a lot of shots.
Not very informed are you?
BTW as long as my child is immumised (whichever way I chose) it's absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.
Not very informed are you?
BTW as long as my child is immumised (whichever way I chose) it's absolutely nothing to do with anyone else.
You may also wish to refer to my other replies to MMR/immunisation threads where I clarify that just because an Australian schools states that it is COMPULSARY for kids to have all of their vax up to date, this is not true. I endeavour to provide a balance to all information and help that I provide. You do what you wish to with your children.
May 3rd 2006, 5:35 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by BAY
However because you have 'no evidence to indicate eg X causes Y' doesn't mean 'X doesn't cause Y'.
May 3rd 2006, 5:39 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by BAY
However because you have 'no evidence to indicate eg X causes Y' doesn't mean 'X doesn't cause Y'.
May 3rd 2006, 5:42 pm
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by MartinLuther
You seem to be unaware that the single jabs were around prior to the introduction of MMR. If not then, as MMR replaced the previous use of single jabs, are you saying that the single jabs did not work previously and need to be retested since the introduction of MMR
Doesn't this also cause a conundrum because the efficacy of MMR has been assumed (and not tested properly) based on the assumption that it must be okay because the single vaccines have been previously tested! (This type of assumption would be considered seriously bad practice in other industries like, computer programming, car manufacturing, civil engineering, etc...)
Doesn't this also cause a conundrum because the efficacy of MMR has been assumed (and not tested properly) based on the assumption that it must be okay because the single vaccines have been previously tested! (This type of assumption would be considered seriously bad practice in other industries like, computer programming, car manufacturing, civil engineering, etc...)
I'm a pre MMR girl - no mumps jabs available for me at immunisation time. To my knowledge I never had a single jab for anything other than rubella, TB or tetanus. I was vaccinated for measles, got it when 21. That was a few years ago now...I had thought up until then that vaccinations provided nearly total immunity, but was advised that for measles it is only 90-95%.....which is still enough to ensure "herd immunity" which is what the govt wants.
Agree with your comments about testing of all together versus individual.....difficult one though. In the "good old days" suchs studies were done in orphanages and "mental asylums".
Should we take this to the BBQ? I fancy a snag.
May 4th 2006, 12:57 am
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Re: Mumps vaccine
Originally Posted by geordiegirl2
The MMR is one of the most well researched drugs in the world, we have seen an alomst irradigation of these diseases since its introduction, which the exception of Japan nearly every country in the world uses it.
There was no rise in Autism after its introduction, IMO the rise is due to better diagnostics and heightened awareness.
There was no rise in Autism after its introduction, IMO the rise is due to better diagnostics and heightened awareness.
I did not make any comment about the possible and unproved link to autism.