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Old Jan 29th 2018, 4:44 am
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As for the change of name to an Indigenous one not a bad idea. What language the above poster asks. "There are so many" Well for starters that would be up to a cross section of elders to frame. Possibly the language spoken in the locality where the first landing occurred would be a starting point.


There will I consider need for a compromise. Be it a new date, or retain present day, but seemingly unlikely over time with an Aboriginal name.


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Nice bunch.

Warriors of the Aboriginal Resistance - WAR

In response to the attacks on WAR members and the call to burn Australia to the ground at the Naarm Abolish Australia Day Rally, we would like to issue the following statement:

**** Australia.
**** your land theft, your child stealing and your state sanctioned murders.
**** your governments, your military and your police.
**** your concentration camps dressed up as correctional facilities and immigration detention centres.
**** your economy, your greed and your cult of the almighty dollar.
**** your poisoning of water, your wholesale destruction of land and your pollution of our atmosphere.
**** your language forced upon us and violently attempting to replace our very own.
**** your white supremacy, your patriarchy and your capitalism.
**** your flag, your anthem and your precious national day.
WAR will not rest until we burn this entire rotten settler colony called Australia, illegally and violently imposed on stolen Aboriginal land at the expense of the blood of countless thousands, to the ****ing ground, until every corrupt and illegal institution of white supremacist, patriarchal, capitalist settler colonial power forced upon us is no more. We will not rest until we build a society that cares for and honours the Earth, our mother, that respects the interconnectedness of all beings, that is founded on our sovereignty and responsibility to this country and the people who live on it, and that offers a place of safety and prosperity for our people and for all those oppressed and excluded by the current systems of power - refugees, people of colour, LGBTQIA people, poor people, disabled people.
Abolish Australia, not just Australia Day
Delusional. I'm just getting to grips with LGBT...no idea on LGBTQIA.

This is so OTT it must be written by a stroppy teenager during high school detention, I doubt it's representative of aboriginal communities.
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Delusional. I'm just getting to grips with LGBT...no idea on LGBTQIA.

This is so OTT it must be written by a stroppy teenager during high school detention, I doubt it's representative of aboriginal communities.
Not all.

However, indigenous leader and former ALP president Warren Mundine has also put pressure on Ms Onus-Williams after her remarks.

Mr Mundine said she was a hypocrite and a “hater” for working with the government on state-funded programs while openly attacking the government and causing division in other forums.


Tarneen Onus-Williams: Aboriginal activist called a ‘hypocritical hater’

Not exactly a teenager but sloppy is one way to describe it among many others.

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Old Jan 29th 2018, 8:42 am
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Originally Posted by Shard
Delusional. I'm just getting to grips with LGBT...no idea on LGBTQIA.
I'm coming to the conclusion if anyone mentions an alphabeti spaghetti and they aren't talking about gay people (and often even when they are) - then they are more interested in saying they are identifying with some supposedly oppressed grouping than they are talking sense or actually giving two hoots.

In short they are just fakers, just a waste of space.
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I'm coming to the conclusion if anyone mentions an alphabeti spaghetti and they aren't talking about gay people (and often even when they are) - then they are more interested in saying they are identifying with some supposedly oppressed grouping than they are talking sense or actually giving two hoots.

In short they are just fakers, just a waste of space.
I wonder if the the wankers could get a start?

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Old Jan 29th 2018, 10:18 am
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Not all.

However, indigenous leader and former ALP president Warren Mundine has also put pressure on Ms Onus-Williams after her remarks.

Mr Mundine said she was a hypocrite and a “hater” for working with the government on state-funded programs while openly attacking the government and causing division in other forums.


Tarneen Onus-Williams: Aboriginal activist called a ‘hypocritical hater’

Not exactly a teenager but sloppy is one way to describe it among many others.
She is a piece of work. I can't stand hypocritical people like that.
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In their language? Why? For starters, I doubt there was ever one aboriginal language spoken across Australia given the nature of their nomadic existence and the vastness of Australia. Secondly English is the spoken language in Australia, its tested to become a citizen. English is a done deal. Why would you want to keep trying to bow to aboriginal hatred of other cultures? I can understand if those from 1788 were still alive and had a hard time when white settlers moved in, but none of them are alive now. Its time for those who use history to stamp their mark to move on and that means moving on together in unity like all cultures in Australia are expected to do.

One culture should not have a special say or special privileges.
There are over 200 Aboriginal languages spoken in Australia. The "Aboriginals" are not a monolithic group with one language, one religion, or one culture any more than Asians are. The tools we associate with "Aboriginals" were also just from single tribes, or tribes from a particular region, and tool development was heavily dependent on, among other things, geography and climate; most Aboriginals never used boomerangs or had any idea what they were, and wouldn't have known what to do with it if handed one.

Intra-Aboriginal violence and racism between tribes and clans is a huge deal and in small country towns can often spill out into open violence in the streets (yes, still today in 2018). Want to ignite that? Pick one of the 200 languages to call Australia Day after, and see how the Aboriginals from one of the other 199 language groups react to that. That's a Melbourne inner-city cafe idea.

Aboriginal peoples are not the museum pieces that Richard di Natale and his ilk seem to believe they are. They are Australian Citizens, many of whom are suffering in terrible conditions, and they deserve representative government that will both help them and help them to help themselves. They don't deserve politicians who just want to resort to token gestures to trend on Facebook.

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Good post. Even if they are different peoples, it makes sense for them to represent as aboriginals in the same way Canada's indigenous people represent as "First Nations" and commemorate their heritage in a unified manner. However, commemorating heritage and demanding special rights are two different things; they should be encouraged to have a modern Australian identity too. I don't see how isolating indigenous peoples can be anything but trouble in the long run. It's essentially self induced racism. Integration is key.
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Yes, but - they are also not isolated. The people in the Melbourne inner-city cafes who want the date changed think of "Aboriginals" as people who live on a reserve in the Northern Territory or remote WA. But the biggest Aboriginal community in Australia is in Sydney; three-quarters of Australia's Aboriginal population live in urban areas; and three-quarters also do not live in the NT or WA.

That's also always the go-to people the ABC etc use for comment on Aboriginal issues, issue X has come up and we want Aboriginal comment, let's go find some elder in the NT reserves. Well, why? If you want someone representative of the majority - go find an Aboriginal in Western Sydney to talk about issue X. The elder in remote NT is a caricature of what the ABC and the cafe club thinks is mainstream Aboriginal.
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Originally Posted by carcajou
Aboriginal peoples are not the museum pieces that Richard di Natale and his ilk seem to believe they are. They are Australian Citizens, many of whom are suffering in terrible conditions, and they deserve representative government that will both help them and help them to help themselves. They don't deserve politicians who just want to resort to token gestures to trend on Facebook.
The point, and the problem, is that SE Australia has very little understanding of the reality of the rest of the country, aborigines particularly included. They have idea of the 'noble savage' that ties in with their artisanal coffee and reiki healing. In short, b*ll*cks.

The brutal reality is that the only part of aboriginal culture that DOES have value is the 'museum pieces' - and then only as tourist fodder. The rest of it, practically, is an impediment to necessary change and improvement.

The truth is to help them to help themselves is to stop taking the self-serving whining seriously, and expect change such that they integrate into Australian society - becoming a positive rather than a negative. That doesn't mean even more representation - it means responsibilities and reality taking hold. If you live 1000km from civilisation, with no work, then no you don't get the benefits of even Sydney suburbs and you need to either find business that will offer jobs and makes money - or you move.
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Its also important to remember there are plenty who have helped themselves. The good news stories.

Unfortunately we are always focussed on the bad news stories and the separation.

If the greens keep using the media as they do, focus will always be on the bad. People need encouragement from good news.
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I'm not sure some of those living very remote would cope well with forced movement to larger centres. A very politically charged subject as well. Further, I'm not sure larger towns would welcome 'outback' mobs being forced on them from past experience when too many from bush come to town. Often happens for football matches or some event.
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Originally Posted by carcajou
They already call it "Invasion Day." I think naming it after something Aboriginal would cause them to try and burn down Twitter.
IMO Australia has given its original inhabitants so much compared to the situation they would be in had Europeans never discovered and settled this continent. They should be thinking "gratitude," not "rage."

Today they are part of a safe and prosperous country with good infrastructure, proper healthcare, highest base wage in the world, etc., etc., etc. In fact desperate people from many surrounding countries are willing to get on some lousy excuse for a boat and risk their lives just to set foot here.

Taking this for granted is bad enough. But openly hating the country simply because they are part of it - when what they desire is for it to be wholly and totally just about (and for) them - is wrong on so many levels.

Like I said, more gratitude, less anger...
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I'm not sure some of those living very remote would cope well with forced movement to larger centres. A very politically charged subject as well. Further, I'm not sure larger towns would welcome 'outback' mobs being forced on them from past experience when too many from bush come to town. Often happens for football matches or some event.
All of which kind of highlights the problems with neon lights....
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