Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a row
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
The down side of this is a suprising one especially as it's something that wasn't part of my nature before, unless age has made me more critical as I've grown older. That's seeing the obvious flaws in other places I've visited.
How can you look forwards to moving somewhere else ?
Bit of a conundurum for my retirement that one.
How can you look forwards to moving somewhere else ?
Bit of a conundurum for my retirement that one.
#17
Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
As a dumping ground for the overcrowded jails and hulks and for political prisoners such as the Irish who objected to foreign occupation of their country.
As a place for the upper classes to make fortunes on plantations growing products not suited to Blighty's climate. In so doing they used slave labour compulsorily moved from other colonies, particularly Africa.
To provide minerals and raw materials for the first industrialised country.
Whither the native populations of many of the colonies of the New World - aboriginals, eskimos, 'red' indians etc?
To provide extra soldiers to fight wars.
And so on and so forth, you get my drift.
Victorian times in Britain seemed fantastic too from say what Dickens wrote about them! Please sir, I want some more (food) said Oliver. The slums of London etc have still not been properly addressed even to this day.
Blue touch paper lit.
Last edited by OzTennis; Aug 28th 2013 at 12:56 pm.
#18
Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
Are these awards not a bit pointless? How liveable a city is surely depends on personal circumstances/interests/job/responsibilities etc.
I love Melbourne, and will probably move back there, but would be interested to find out what went into the economist rankings. The public transport is brutal and the traffic even worse, so I assume ease of getting around/to work didn't factor that highly in their scores.
I love Melbourne, and will probably move back there, but would be interested to find out what went into the economist rankings. The public transport is brutal and the traffic even worse, so I assume ease of getting around/to work didn't factor that highly in their scores.
"The Global liveability survey ranks 140 cities on over 30 qualitative and quantitative factors across five broad categories: stability; healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure.
Each of the 30 factors in each city is rated as acceptable, tolerable, uncomfortable, undesirable or intolerable.
The categories are compiled and weighted to provide an overall rating of 1–100, where 1 is considered intolerable and 100 is considered ideal.
The liveability ranking considers that any city with a rating of 80 or more will have few, if any, challenges to living standards. Any city with a score of less than 50 will see most aspects of living severely restricted."
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
Before congratulating the 'mother country' it might be opportune to keep in mind how the 'new world' was used and seen:
As a dumping ground for the overcrowded jails and hulks and for political prisoners such as the Irish who objected to foreign occupation of their country.
As a place for the upper classes to make fortunes on plantations growing products not suited to Blighty's climate. In so doing they used slave labour compulsorily moved from other colonies, particularly Africa.
To provide minerals and raw materials for the first industrialised country.
Whither the native populations of many of the colonies of the New World - aboriginals, eskimos, 'red' indians etc?
To provide extra soldiers to fight wars.
And so on and so forth, you get my drift.
Victorian times in Britain seemed fantastic too from say what Dickens wrote about them! Please sir, I want some more (food) said Oliver. The slums of London etc have still not been properly addressed even to this day.
Blue touch paper lit.
As a dumping ground for the overcrowded jails and hulks and for political prisoners such as the Irish who objected to foreign occupation of their country.
As a place for the upper classes to make fortunes on plantations growing products not suited to Blighty's climate. In so doing they used slave labour compulsorily moved from other colonies, particularly Africa.
To provide minerals and raw materials for the first industrialised country.
Whither the native populations of many of the colonies of the New World - aboriginals, eskimos, 'red' indians etc?
To provide extra soldiers to fight wars.
And so on and so forth, you get my drift.
Victorian times in Britain seemed fantastic too from say what Dickens wrote about them! Please sir, I want some more (food) said Oliver. The slums of London etc have still not been properly addressed even to this day.
Blue touch paper lit.
The 'Dominions' and the USA, the places where the colonists wiped out the indigenous populations - these are the countries with the highest living standards, GDP, HDI etc. These are the nations that have surpassed the UK
Coincidence? I think not
Sure, some bad shit was done along the way but the ends justified the means
BTW This is historical fact. Whether you, I or anyone else agrees or disagrees is immaterial. This is what happened and today we live a good life because it did
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
Just Google:
"The Global liveability survey ranks 140 cities on over 30 qualitative and quantitative factors across five broad categories: stability; healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure.
Each of the 30 factors in each city is rated as acceptable, tolerable, uncomfortable, undesirable or intolerable.
The categories are compiled and weighted to provide an overall rating of 1–100, where 1 is considered intolerable and 100 is considered ideal.
The liveability ranking considers that any city with a rating of 80 or more will have few, if any, challenges to living standards. Any city with a score of less than 50 will see most aspects of living severely restricted."
"The Global liveability survey ranks 140 cities on over 30 qualitative and quantitative factors across five broad categories: stability; healthcare, culture and environment, education and infrastructure.
Each of the 30 factors in each city is rated as acceptable, tolerable, uncomfortable, undesirable or intolerable.
The categories are compiled and weighted to provide an overall rating of 1–100, where 1 is considered intolerable and 100 is considered ideal.
The liveability ranking considers that any city with a rating of 80 or more will have few, if any, challenges to living standards. Any city with a score of less than 50 will see most aspects of living severely restricted."
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
EIU has a team which gathers information year round (I know someone who worked there) and produce a total score based on their 30 criteria for each of 140 cities and they update this at regular intervals. I'm not sure what criteria they used to get the tolerable etc but the quantitified criteria by definition is facts based; not sure how the qualitative data is derived; of course more difficult for that be facts based but Economists do try to put a number to subjective things where possible.
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#22
Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
Shit happens - a means to an end
The 'Dominions' and the USA, the places where the colonists wiped out the indigenous populations - these are the countries with the highest living standards, GDP, HDI etc. These are the nations that have surpassed the UK
Coincidence? I think not
Sure, some bad shit was done along the way but the ends justified the means
BTW This is historical fact. Whether you, I or anyone else agrees or disagrees is immaterial. This is what happened and today we live a good life because it did
The 'Dominions' and the USA, the places where the colonists wiped out the indigenous populations - these are the countries with the highest living standards, GDP, HDI etc. These are the nations that have surpassed the UK
Coincidence? I think not
Sure, some bad shit was done along the way but the ends justified the means
BTW This is historical fact. Whether you, I or anyone else agrees or disagrees is immaterial. This is what happened and today we live a good life because it did
Speaking for Australia; what happened pre 1901 was partly down to 'colonists' but largely down to Blighty. Transportation up until 1868/9 for example. Britain lost the America option for dumping in 1783 (lost a war) so turned attention to Australia.
Last edited by OzTennis; Aug 28th 2013 at 2:25 pm.
#23
Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
That's a frighteningly right wing view of events. Move over Genghis Khan it seems. Easy for you to dismiss anything? Why did you do it Mr Hitler? - 'shit happens, means to an end'.
Speaking for Australia; what happened pre 1901 was partly down to 'colonists' but largely down to Blighty. Transportation up until 1868/9 for example. Britain lost the America option for dumping in 1783 (lost a war) so turned attention to Australia.
Speaking for Australia; what happened pre 1901 was partly down to 'colonists' but largely down to Blighty. Transportation up until 1868/9 for example. Britain lost the America option for dumping in 1783 (lost a war) so turned attention to Australia.
By colonists I mean UK colonists - and those that followed
My last sentence - it happened this way and we gain the benefit today
Sharing wasn't an option
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
Had to laugh at the CourierMail - brisbane's main newsrag
Recently declared Queensland Great and renowned Brisbane identity Stefan Ackerie, labelled those responsible for the survey "uneducated", saying their priorities were wrong.
"I think when God made the world, he made Australia last, he made Queensland very last and he made Brisbane for himself," he said. " Brisbane has everything. It has weather, beautiful people, facilities like no other city in Australia so it (the survey) is just uneducated.
I thought this guy must be someone really influential, but when I put his name into Google it seems he is a local hairdresser No offence to hairdressers amongst us, but was he really the best identity they could find to defend Brisbane? Did the others all agree with the survey?!!!
Recently declared Queensland Great and renowned Brisbane identity Stefan Ackerie, labelled those responsible for the survey "uneducated", saying their priorities were wrong.
"I think when God made the world, he made Australia last, he made Queensland very last and he made Brisbane for himself," he said. " Brisbane has everything. It has weather, beautiful people, facilities like no other city in Australia so it (the survey) is just uneducated.
I thought this guy must be someone really influential, but when I put his name into Google it seems he is a local hairdresser No offence to hairdressers amongst us, but was he really the best identity they could find to defend Brisbane? Did the others all agree with the survey?!!!
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
You probably would have fitted in well in post 1948, pre 1990 South Africa with your unashamed views. Shit happens - separate people into 4 different groups and have separate development. Use 3 groups so 1 group has about the highest living standards in the world? Means justifies the end?
Imperialism, fascism, nazism, apartheidism and most of all the other isms - nasty!
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
Had to laugh at the CourierMail - brisbane's main newsrag
Recently declared Queensland Great and renowned Brisbane identity Stefan Ackerie, labelled those responsible for the survey "uneducated", saying their priorities were wrong.
"I think when God made the world, he made Australia last, he made Queensland very last and he made Brisbane for himself," he said. " Brisbane has everything. It has weather, beautiful people, facilities like no other city in Australia so it (the survey) is just uneducated.
I thought this guy must be someone really influential, but when I put his name into Google it seems he is a local hairdresser No offence to hairdressers amongst us, but was he really the best identity they could find to defend Brisbane? Did the others all agree with the survey?!!!
Recently declared Queensland Great and renowned Brisbane identity Stefan Ackerie, labelled those responsible for the survey "uneducated", saying their priorities were wrong.
"I think when God made the world, he made Australia last, he made Queensland very last and he made Brisbane for himself," he said. " Brisbane has everything. It has weather, beautiful people, facilities like no other city in Australia so it (the survey) is just uneducated.
I thought this guy must be someone really influential, but when I put his name into Google it seems he is a local hairdresser No offence to hairdressers amongst us, but was he really the best identity they could find to defend Brisbane? Did the others all agree with the survey?!!!
Queenslanders are even more insecure than other Australians which is quite an acheivement.
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
These surveys appeal to those who live in the chosen cities, others who dont or have no interest in living there rightly dismiss them as pointless. I lived in Melbourne years ago, it was OK but I have no desire to live there again anymore than I want to live in London or New York or Vancouver.
Queenslanders are even more insecure than other Australians which is quite an acheivement.
Queenslanders are even more insecure than other Australians which is quite an acheivement.
Surely much of your life was insecure, if you have very little to say about your past?
I don't care much for aspects of Queensland, no thanks to this forum, but I can understand the appeal.
#28
Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
One common theme of these types of surveys is that Brisbane trails Melbourne, Sydney, Adelaide and Perth...always. I'm sure Cando must have a conniption every time he sees one! And yet I'm sure there are signs on the way into Brisbane declaring it Australia's 'most liveable city'!?
To be honest though...I'm not quite sure why Brisbane is division 2, based on my experiences I'd certainly pick it over Adelaide.
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
That's a frighteningly right wing view of events. Move over Genghis Khan it seems. Easy for you to dismiss anything? Why did you do it Mr Hitler? - 'shit happens, means to an end'.
Speaking for Australia; what happened pre 1901 was partly down to 'colonists' but largely down to Blighty. Transportation up until 1868/9 for example. Britain lost the America option for dumping in 1783 (lost a war) so turned attention to Australia.
Speaking for Australia; what happened pre 1901 was partly down to 'colonists' but largely down to Blighty. Transportation up until 1868/9 for example. Britain lost the America option for dumping in 1783 (lost a war) so turned attention to Australia.
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Re: Melbourne wins "The Economists' most liveable city in the world for 3rd year in a
We, none of us, we're there. We only have the white mans written words and the verbal stories passed through the generations of the indigenous people of Australia. You must take both sides and make up your own minds regarding the early days, because, unavoidably, both accounts will have some bias.....