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Melbourne Suburbs
Hey guys,
I have trip to Melbourne planned and researching which suburbs I should take a look at should we both decide to make the move. Our plan should we make a permanent move would be to rent for the first 6 months and then start looking to buy a place. We are homely people who like space, peace and quiet and prefer to be just on the peripheral of the city. Anywhere with a relative safe environment (we are not naïve to realise you can't escape crime), quiet neighbourhood so we can sleep and aren't listening to cars, aircraft etc. The research has led me to 3 maybe 4 suburbs to visit during my trip which are; 1, Sandrigham 2, Williamstown 3, St Kilda East 4, Glen Iris Does anyone know anything about these areas? Positive or negative any information would be useful. Cheers NH |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12217085)
Hey guys,
I have trip to Melbourne planned and researching which suburbs I should take a look at should we both decide to make the move. Our plan should we make a permanent move would be to rent for the first 6 months and then start looking to buy a place. We are homely people who like space, peace and quiet and prefer to be just on the peripheral of the city. Anywhere with a relative safe environment (we are not naïve to realise you can't escape crime), quiet neighbourhood so we can sleep and aren't listening to cars, aircraft etc. The research has led me to 3 maybe 4 suburbs to visit during my trip which are; 1, Sandrigham 2, Williamstown 3, St Kilda East 4, Glen Iris Does anyone know anything about these areas? Positive or negative any information would be useful. Cheers NH I dont know your budget but all of the suburbs you mention are million plus house price. Sandringham for eg more mid million plus. Rental leases are nearly always 12 months. Can usually be broken for a fee around 4% of annual rent plus cost of finding new tenant and letting fee. But House huntihg here takes time. Go to a few auctions on the saturday thats how most stuff is sold. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Thanks for the info. The report I found seems to say St Kilda East is better than St Kilda and West but I guess it must be for specific streets.
Good info on lease periods. We aren't sure on our budget for rental or buying yet as it would depending on joint incomes so couldn't set one to buy yet. We are currently working on Rental budget of around $2k-$3k per month as that's what the equivalent is in London/Kent in U.K. The idea would be visit a few auctions/open house viewings whilst in Melbourne. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12217435)
Thanks for the info. The report I found seems to say St Kilda East is better than St Kilda and West but I guess it must be for specific streets.
Good info on lease periods. We aren't sure on our budget for rental or buying yet as it would depending on joint incomes so couldn't set one to buy yet. We are currently working on Rental budget of around $2k-$3k per month as that's what the equivalent is in London/Kent in U.K. The idea would be visit a few auctions/open house viewings whilst in Melbourne. Just thought the above would give you a real life perspective on the ground at the moment. In fact, the tenancy was just renewed a week ago, and the agent suggested we increased the rental to $2,500 per month which I baulked at (these are long term tenants, well into their 3rd year of stay, and ideal ones at that), so in the end, the new rental was set at $2,400 per month. I've not revised the rent since 2012, so apparently, I'm a pretty generous landlord, so the agent tells me :rofl: Good luck with the house hunting! |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12217085)
Hey guys,
I have trip to Melbourne planned and researching which suburbs I should take a look at should we both decide to make the move. Our plan should we make a permanent move would be to rent for the first 6 months and then start looking to buy a place. We are homely people who like space, peace and quiet and prefer to be just on the peripheral of the city. Anywhere with a relative safe environment (we are not naïve to realise you can't escape crime), quiet neighbourhood so we can sleep and aren't listening to cars, aircraft etc. The research has led me to 3 maybe 4 suburbs to visit during my trip which are; 1, Sandrigham 2, Williamstown 3, St Kilda East 4, Glen Iris Does anyone know anything about these areas? Positive or negative any information would be useful. Cheers NH If you are looking to buy, however you are going to find that they are all VERY expensive. If you can afford $1 million+ then you will likely find something. Glen Iris and Sandringham will be the most expensive, but there probably isn't much between any of them. The advantage is that they are all fairly close to the city (comparatively speaking) and have access to good schools (again Glen Iris and Sandringham particularly). Williamstown is lovely, but its main disadvantage is that it is on a branch line of the train service, and there is primarily one road in and one road out, so if there's an accident then you can be held up for a long time in peak hour. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12217085)
Firstly, I'd say you should be looking to rent for 12 months, since that's generally the term. Also takes the pressure off. Don't tell the agent you are only looking for short term though, they want long term and hassle free. Second, it really matters what you mean by periphery. Some would consider where the city turns into countryside to be the periphery - others where the trams end. In general the closer to the city, the more expensive, and the smaller the properties/more cramped the surrounds. For a recce I's say you need to see a wide range of suburbs. What you see from online will be different from on the ground.
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12217085)
The research has led me to 3 maybe 4 suburbs to visit during my trip which are;
1, Sandrigham (upmarket, beachside focus, not the fastest to commute) 2, Williamstown (hipster/chic, expensive, you can see the city, but getting to it takes longer than expected) 3, St Kilda East (more dodgy from a crime perspective, expensive, but close enough that commuting is less of a chore) 4, Glen Iris (similar to 3, but tollroad focused) Does anyone know anything about these areas? Positive or negative any information would be useful. I'd also be considering building a house, rather than buying, as an option - which would define areas as well. Estates along the new Regional Rail Link train line would be worth looking at, since they will have good commute into town. I'd also say you should look at Point Cook, etc. for a comparison point to your list. To that I would add somewhere in the hills. What and where you can afford is something of a driver (Melbourne is most definitely in bubble territory), and as such I'd be inclined to include suburbs where building is going on for your list as well. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
I live in St Kilda East...it's certainly not 'just on the peripheral of the city'. I would also say it is for the most part pretty low crime...it's far removed from the epicentre of St Kilda and a totally different kettle of fish. It's not the best place to look for 'space' though - a lot of the houses are on 200 square metres or less. And yes, it's expensive...massively more so over the last 2-3 years.
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
I would also consider Hampton, Brighton and Elwood as well.
Everyone's definition of things is different, you mention "space" but also the periphery of the city, perhaps we could offer more help if we understood how far you would consider being from the city centre and what space you are really looking for. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
(Post 12217931)
I would also consider Hampton, Brighton and Elwood as well.
Everyone's definition of things is different, you mention "space" but also the periphery of the city, perhaps we could offer more help if we understood how far you would consider being from the city centre and what space you are really looking for. I would be happy to travel 30mins by car. If public transport is like London (cramped like sardines and no AC) then I rather not use it. When I mean space, I have car parking, a garden where the two of us and our dog could relax with privacy. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12217978)
I would be happy to travel 30mins by car. If public transport is like London (cramped like sardines and no AC) then I rather not use it.
When I mean space, I have car parking, a garden where the two of us and our dog could relax with privacy. All my life I've appreciated being on a branch line, on a peninsula surrounded by sea on 3 sides and on a no through road as an advantage rather than a problem! The most expensive suburb west of the WGB but not c.f. most of the other burbs mentioned east of the WGB. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by OzTennis
(Post 12217993)
I'm from and we have property in Williamstown (but live in Scotland and visit for 3 months at a time). I'd recommend it but appreciate the concerns some have of traffic gridlock at times going to the CBD. However, that is usually the lemmings who try to go via Westgate Bridge. There's two alternatives which never or very rarely takes in excess of 30 minutes - train from Newport, Williamstown Nth, Williamstown Beach depending which is closest - and by car via Douglas Pde/Francis St/Footscray Rd (Dynon Rd also).
All my life I've appreciated being on a branch line, on a peninsula surrounded by sea on 3 sides and on a no through road as an advantage rather than a problem! The most expensive suburb west of the WGB but not c.f. most of the other burbs mentioned east of the WGB. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12218011)
Sorry I can't follow the acronyms in your last sentence... The most expensive suburb west of the WGB but not c.f. most of the other burbs mentioned east of the WGB
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12218011)
Sorry I can't follow the acronyms in your last sentence... The most expensive suburb west of the WGB but not c.f. most of the other burbs mentioned east of the WGB
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
The view of the city from Brighton (which most Melburnians flock to):
http://i.imgur.com/vHk1c99.jpg The view from Williamstown, closer in and on other side of bay (Queen Mary 2 and something Princess docked at Station Pier): http://i.imgur.com/kiQrFqk.jpg A view good enough to paint! http://i.imgur.com/gRjhiB7.jpg http://i.imgur.com/klHqF2h.jpg http://i.imgur.com/x4kal0K.jpg |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12217978)
I would be happy to travel 30mins by car. If public transport is like London (cramped like sardines and no AC) then I rather not use it.
When I mean space, I have car parking, a garden where the two of us and our dog could relax with privacy. Had to drop my car for service into a Essendon ( inner suburb ) yesterday. Needed it there by 7.30 am, knew this was going to be hellish. No accidents or roadworks on route, but it took an hour to drive what would be around 15 minutes if you tried it at say 10 pm. Had high hopes for the return at 1.30 pm but the trams had other ideas about that. Wedged between a tram and concrete mixer with parked cars as always partly blocking the left hand lane. Absolute nightmare. Coming in on the major freeways into Melbourne anywhere near peak, say from 6am, is usually an absolute horror story. Saturday peak just seems to go all day. Weekdays I wont drive unless absolute necessary from 6 to about 10 and from about 2 till gone 6.30 at least. I dont like trains much either, but in peak if there is one, it will more than likely be a better alternative. :thumbup: Parking unless provided with an employer would be fun, one obstacle with the trains is the carparks are packed full usually by 6am. Pushbike to train seems to work best, but melbourne weather can be a bit aggressive ( usually wind related ) in winter or the worst days in summer. Some stations have security cages for bike. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by jad n rich
(Post 12222750)
Bloody hell, half a hour drive in peak time :lol: you would need to live very close in.
Had to drop my car for service into a Essendon ( inner suburb ) yesterday. Needed it there by 7.30 am, knew this was going to be hellish. No accidents or roadworks on route, but it took an hour to drive what would be around 15 minutes if you tried it at say 10 pm. Had high hopes for the return at 1.30 pm but the trams had other ideas about that. Wedged between a tram and concrete mixer with parked cars as always partly blocking the left hand lane. Absolute nightmare. Coming in on the major freeways into Melbourne anywhere near peak, say from 6am, is usually an absolute horror story. Saturday peak just seems to go all day. Weekdays I wont drive unless absolute necessary from 6 to about 10 and from about 2 till gone 6.30 at least. I dont like trains much either, but in peak if there is one, it will more than likely be a better alternative. :thumbup: Parking unless provided with an employer would be fun, one obstacle with the trains is the carparks are packed full usually by 6am. Pushbike to train seems to work best, but melbourne weather can be a bit aggressive ( usually wind related ) in winter or the worst days in summer. Some stations have security cages for bike. Many car parks full well after 6am. 730 might be a cutoff in other places : do your research. It's surprising where you can park a car : do your research. And there are many trains in peak hour : not all lines grind to a halt all day every day. Some are worse than others and delays are experienced at certain times on certain lines. Research them. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by jad n rich
(Post 12222750)
Bloody hell, half a hour drive in peak time :lol: you would need to live very close in.
Had to drop my car for service into a Essendon ( inner suburb ) yesterday. Needed it there by 7.30 am, knew this was going to be hellish. No accidents or roadworks on route, but it took an hour to drive what would be around 15 minutes if you tried it at say 10 pm. Had high hopes for the return at 1.30 pm but the trams had other ideas about that. Wedged between a tram and concrete mixer with parked cars as always partly blocking the left hand lane. Absolute nightmare. Coming in on the major freeways into Melbourne anywhere near peak, say from 6am, is usually an absolute horror story. Saturday peak just seems to go all day. Weekdays I wont drive unless absolute necessary from 6 to about 10 and from about 2 till gone 6.30 at least. I dont like trains much either, but in peak if there is one, it will more than likely be a better alternative. :thumbup: Parking unless provided with an employer would be fun, one obstacle with the trains is the carparks are packed full usually by 6am. Pushbike to train seems to work best, but melbourne weather can be a bit aggressive ( usually wind related ) in winter or the worst days in summer. Some stations have security cages for bike. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by jad n rich
(Post 12222750)
Bloody hell, half a hour drive in peak time :lol: you would need to live very close in.
Had to drop my car for service into a Essendon ( inner suburb ) yesterday. Needed it there by 7.30 am, knew this was going to be hellish. No accidents or roadworks on route, but it took an hour to drive what would be around 15 minutes if you tried it at say 10 pm. Had high hopes for the return at 1.30 pm but the trams had other ideas about that. Wedged between a tram and concrete mixer with parked cars as always partly blocking the left hand lane. Absolute nightmare. Coming in on the major freeways into Melbourne anywhere near peak, say from 6am, is usually an absolute horror story. Saturday peak just seems to go all day. Weekdays I wont drive unless absolute necessary from 6 to about 10 and from about 2 till gone 6.30 at least. I dont like trains much either, but in peak if there is one, it will more than likely be a better alternative. :thumbup: Parking unless provided with an employer would be fun, one obstacle with the trains is the carparks are packed full usually by 6am. Pushbike to train seems to work best, but melbourne weather can be a bit aggressive ( usually wind related ) in winter or the worst days in summer. Some stations have security cages for bike. Sounds like I may as well stay in London! Seriously the way you have just described I wouldn't be any better off! Why on earth do British people move there? |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12223740)
Sounds like I may as well stay in London! Seriously the way you have just described I wouldn't be any better off! Why on earth do British people move there?
Traffic in a city of 5 million should be no surprise to anyone, no issues go away because you swing to the other side of the planet. Melbourne has experienced fast growth so problems associated with housing and transport develop. That s what happens, anywhere not just in Melbourne. Immigration here is very diverse, as multicultural as you can get, Brits are only a small part of it. Never thought of it before but in 2 years in Melbourne have met a brit, cant think of one! Plenty on forum obviously. People move for relationships, ' better life ' real or imagined, a job opportunity, just wanting to try another country, to a bit of australia that will offer a very different lifestyle, tropical beach in qld, that sort of thing. Reasons change too, it used to be financial, great exchange rate, cheaper housing, some wanted to escape the issues of the world, that of course does not happen. But less traffic, australia has that in buckets, just not in melbourne or sydney or peak in brisbane. Canberra and Adelaide spring to mind, much easier, still cities. Job opportunites are relative to population too, might be more in syd, melb at first sight, but more people applying for them. I know for us, our business was 10 times easier in QLD, due to less competition. So much so I commute:blink:, but find the odd opportunity in Melbourne, but the vast amount of people competing for anything is tiresome. Dont overlook the smaller places if you want that relaxed, easier life:thumbup: |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12223740)
Sounds like I may as well stay in London! Seriously the way you have just described I wouldn't be any better off! Why on earth do British people move there?
As I said before, my suburb, St Kilda East was on your list. I sometimes drive in...if I do, I leave by 7am and it takes 15 mins or less. I drove today, my train line is suspended due to flooding as it always is when there is more than 3 nanometres of rain! Despite the crappy weather, still 15 mins later I'm parked in the multi-storey car park in the CBD. If I had written this post last week I could've told you it was only $10 for daily parking too...but it went up to $13 over the weekend! :frown: |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by NHNH2016
(Post 12223740)
Sounds like I may as well stay in London! Seriously the way you have just described I wouldn't be any better off! Why on earth do British people move there?
Melbourne's (and for that matter, Sydney's) transport problems are nothing new. They reflect a combination of physical geography and a history of pretty terrible urban planning and chronic under investment in public transport. The big difference between Melbourne and London is that in London zones 1 & 2, it isn't that difficult to make cross town trips, using a combination of Underground, National Rail and bus. In Melbourne, things are much more on the spoke and hub model. As populations and ways of working and living have changed, the public transport in Melbourne hasn't been updated. So the city is reliant on the car for a lot of its transport. I've lived in Sydney, Melbourne and London. I'd never live in Sydney again (and get annoyed by the traffic whenever I am there and have to leave the CBD). I've thoroughly enjoyed living in Melbourne (I do think it is a nice place to live) and think it has much to recommend it over Sydney as a city in which mostly to work, and live a bit (ie, after work and weekends). Sydney is a great city if you can live beachside or harbourside, and have a lot of leisure time! But to have to commute in Sydney is wretched and past the harbour and beach, I think it is a pretty disagreeable place and choked by traffic even worse than in Melbourne. I loved living in London and would live there again in a heartbeat, but that's not currently part of the future plans (I'm moving to Vancouver for the next part of my life). |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 12225261)
Well it would depend if your be all and all criteria was traffic!
As I said before, my suburb, St Kilda East was on your list. I sometimes drive in...if I do, I leave by 7am and it takes 15 mins or less. I drove today, my train line is suspended due to flooding as it always is when there is more than 3 nanometres of rain! Despite the crappy weather, still 15 mins later I'm parked in the multi-storey car park in the CBD. If I had written this post last week I could've told you it was only $10 for daily parking too...but it went up to $13 over the weekend! :frown: http://i.imgur.com/o8vz4w4.jpg Save |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by MelVan
(Post 12225400)
Well, it's all about the pros and cons. Melbourne has better weather than London, and assuming you can afford decent real estate, you can have a nice garden all year round (I'm able to grow veggies all year 'round). For a city its size, it also has a decent cultural life, and the countryside is in quite close proximity so it's more straightforward to get out of than, say, Sydney.
Melbourne's (and for that matter, Sydney's) transport problems are nothing new. They reflect a combination of physical geography and a history of pretty terrible urban planning and chronic under investment in public transport. The big difference between Melbourne and London is that in London zones 1 & 2, it isn't that difficult to make cross town trips, using a combination of Underground, National Rail and bus. In Melbourne, things are much more on the spoke and hub model. As populations and ways of working and living have changed, the public transport in Melbourne hasn't been updated. So the city is reliant on the car for a lot of its transport. I've lived in Sydney, Melbourne and London. I'd never live in Sydney again (and get annoyed by the traffic whenever I am there and have to leave the CBD). I've thoroughly enjoyed living in Melbourne (I do think it is a nice place to live) and think it has much to recommend it over Sydney as a city in which mostly to work, and live a bit (ie, after work and weekends). Sydney is a great city if you can live beachside or harbourside, and have a lot of leisure time! But to have to commute in Sydney is wretched and past the harbour and beach, I think it is a pretty disagreeable place and choked by traffic even worse than in Melbourne. I loved living in London and would live there again in a heartbeat, but that's not currently part of the future plans (I'm moving to Vancouver for the next part of my life). For example, I would never drive into London. But I do in Melbourne, and on a weekday. It still feels like it is your city and not owned by tourists. There is still only one 1 CBD. The inner burbs - take your pick. You just need to learn the ropes : and manage it the best you can. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by OzTennis
(Post 12225997)
Yeah, not a recent problem!
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 12226513)
Ha! Great photo...I've actually seen Windsor station just like this...well, minus the train...but it looked like a canal.
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by BadgeIsBack
(Post 12226410)
Simply, it's relative. To us Londoners, Melbourne seems quite manageable.
For example, I would never drive into London. But I do in Melbourne, and on a weekday. It still feels like it is your city and not owned by tourists. There is still only one 1 CBD. The inner burbs - take your pick. You just need to learn the ropes : and manage it the best you can. You're absolutely right - it's all about learning the ropes and managing things. I definitely agree that once one is living here, Melbourne really does feel like one's own city. |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Hi everyone, I'm just wondering if you know of the beachside suburbs? Not Brighton or McMansion millionaires row suburbs, but maybe as far down to Torquay on the left and Frankston on the right. (Looking at map and haven't a clue about the areas). Lol.
Thanks :thumbup: |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
That's a very big area. What were you hoping to learn?
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by scottishcelts
(Post 12247447)
Hi everyone, I'm just wondering if you know of the beachside suburbs? Not Brighton or McMansion millionaires row suburbs, but maybe as far down to Torquay on the left and Frankston on the right. (Looking at map and haven't a clue about the areas). Lol.
Thanks :thumbup: |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by bcworld
(Post 12247512)
You might call Torquay a beachside suburb of Geelong...but not Melbourne.
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by Buzzy--Bee
(Post 12247471)
That's a very big area. What were you hoping to learn?
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by scottishcelts
(Post 12247556)
Well I'm actually looking at Mordialloc or roundabout beach suburbs. Sorry, I'm not familiar with the area at all, so just wanted an opinion from someone who might be. Work is drying up in Brisbane for myhubby and Melbourne and Sydney have lots more to offer.
http://www.domain.com.au/product/home-price-guide/ Melbourne-Torquay is equivalent to Glasgow to Dundee to put it in context (for a Celt) ;) |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by scottishcelts
(Post 12247556)
Well I'm actually looking at Mordialloc or roundabout beach suburbs. Sorry, I'm not familiar with the area at all, so just wanted an opinion from someone who might be. Work is drying up in Brisbane for myhubby and Melbourne and Sydney have lots more to offer.
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by OzTennis
(Post 12247669)
How about a Domain property price guide app for starters? Search for any suburb/location in Australia.
http://www.domain.com.au/product/home-price-guide/ Melbourne-Torquay is equivalent to Glasgow to Dundee to put it in context (for a Celt) ;) |
Re: Melbourne Suburbs
How is the North Melbourne rental market? Tanks
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by kokolino23
(Post 12256505)
How is the North Melbourne rental market? Tanks
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Re: Melbourne Suburbs
Originally Posted by scottishcelts
(Post 12248106)
Thank you. I shall have a wee look 😊
My 2nd Oldest Daughter lives in Torquay, it takes about 90 mins to drive there. It's not on a direct train line either, you have to drive into Marshall station, which is a 20 minute drive from Torquay. Marshall station is 75 mins on the train from Southern Cross. It is starting to feel like a distant burb of Melbourne now though. There are lots of commuters there. |
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